Meddler, could you PLEASE reconsider the removal of stealth wards

Divewing·8/31/2017, 9:46:55 AM·121 votes·3,977 views

Honestly, solo laning ever since their removal has steadily grown more and more miserable

I don't fight laners anymore.

They all just wait until the jungler shows up.

Seriously, I don't care about getting camped if I can do something about it, but without vision it's not something that provides me with any good option.

Either I have to sit under tower and lose cs, or risk moving closer to the middle of the lane to farm.

So PLEASE, in Season 8 can we have stealth wards return?

60 Comments

0 Hogapu8/31/2017, 10:04:43 AM40 votes

God this is so true. You basically farm up in midlane, because if you make 1 aggresion on the ennemy laner you will get ganked, to eventually die and lose lane... so you have to wait and have no impact on the game until some rotations are actually set up somewhere on the map... which might already be too late to have an impact on the game xd you can't play lane because of not knowing where the jungler is, and knowing that he does not have to farm up to be efficient (ie he will perma gank everywhere ohoh great game) And let's not talk about toplane, which is definitely the worst role atm. Personal skill expression is going down!

BeatzBoyFTW8/31/2017, 10:24:47 AM9 votes

item 3340 ?

Raiyza8/31/2017, 2:48:43 PM9 votes

Thats why you don't see laners trying to make fights often in the LCS. because they KNOW the enemy jungler might be around the corner. Plays are only made if they see the enemy jg across the map. I only wish people in my games understood that.

Weasel Kensei8/31/2017, 5:37:56 PM6 votes

I both agree and disagree to some extent.

While it is harder to keep vision up, its still manageable. In season 5 you couldnt gank unless you had a pack of assclowns that had "ONLY SUPPORTS WARD" nonsense mentality. This would lead to the junglers sitting and power farming their infinity scaling Devourer for 20 minutes in the jungle playing near other players, but effectively in a separate game till the two collided.

Now vision is taking a bit too much of a beating from item 3147 in my opinion. Disable and reveal of wards every 90 seconds... Kinda toxic when its often carried by the kind of champs you need wards to protect you from.

Vision sub game is something Iv spent a fair bit of time on, and I know there was too much vision available to allow for much pressure from junglers, and furthermore the "purchasing of wards" was making supports the "ward bitch" or "ward mule" that made them fairly unfun to play for a lot of people. Now I make warding videos, and they are the most popular videos on my channel. Vision is achivable, it just takes more effort/skill now, and more importantly, a bit of team mentality.

I can tell you right now were not getting purchasable stealth wards again, and even if we did it would drive away a decent amount of players form support making them more rare than it is now, and Riot is pretty much forcing players to play support with autofill to keep que times down.

When I saw the vision changes, I knew it was going to let a lot of jungle ganks threw, and I hated that. I also like the idea of unburdening supports with the "bag of wards" nonsense. Top and midlane suffer the most, and many of the more potent junglers have seen nerfs to curb their dominance.

I know it sucks when a feature in the game changes in such a way that you cant appreciate it, but if you could have a perfect circle of vision you have to think how that would make jungler players feel. Sure youre thinking "Sucks I cant ward enough to see that jungler prick!" The thing is when you have that perfect circle of vision, it makes the jungler think "Sucks I cant get past that warding pricks vision!"

So I think a decent balance between vision and gaps in vision was found, at least until item 3147 started punching a few too many extra holes in vision.

Ben Sharpio8/31/2017, 10:46:21 AM5 votes

why not just remove the stupid shitty plants that should have never been added in the first place? THESE ARE A HUGE PROBLEM DO PEOPLE NOT REALIZE THIS?

Kyunsei8/31/2017, 2:23:31 PM3 votes

Up trinkets. Nerf catch-up experience and make it linear through each camp.

Problem solved. But... You'll have to wait pre-season

TILTMASTEREXDEE8/31/2017, 7:30:35 PM3 votes

It's also worth reconsidering the upgraded warding totem trinkets from season 5, god i miss those so much item 3361 item 3362

PePsiLemoNN8/31/2017, 2:58:56 PM2 votes

Ward enemy jungle. Done.

arc958/31/2017, 8:13:13 PM2 votes

please for the love of all things holy revert the vision changes

revert control back to pinks

give us greens

leave the sweeper and blue

and give us back the pink ward totem

PentaDenier9/1/2017, 1:41:14 AM2 votes

The old vision trinket was better once upgraded then this current one. I would rather have the old one back myself even though it starts with only 1 charge it got better at level 9.

Sire Hippington8/31/2017, 10:49:49 PM2 votes

I could live without steakthwards to buy - IF trinkets actually gave atleast somewhat decent vision. But with the current shit totem that only provides 33% uptime for a single ward early on, it's pathetic. With better totems(atleast as good as in S5) and finally an aditional slot for controllwards would already go a long way without creating the old ward-war scenario where lot's of gold is throw into wards on both sides.