people say "better jungler wins"

thats just not true.. what is causing this issue is w/e jungler is ahead.. stays ahead and puts the other jungler behind. forces them effectively out of the game.

and the reason for this is the "scuttle" changes and exp changes.

catch-up exp i the jungle is effecvivly non-existant. so if your behind your going to stay that way.

and scuttle turned from a camp that was design to give you vision and safety as well as HEAL YOU when u attack it to a camp that you fight over making the idea of healing off it when your low absolutely suicidal.

this means when your behind you cant risk doing scuttle to heal becuase if its warded the enemy jungeler or even close laner is going to meet u there and kill you.

if u gank you fall WAY behind in exp and their jungle takes your jungle which u cant contest away form them.

and there is next to no catch up exp in the jungle to recover with.

now i understand they had to lower the "catch-up exp" becuase that was a massive issue a while back

but the scuttle change and exp change make a lvl 3 gank into a lvl 2 gank and if u died contesting scuttle you pretty much lose the game.

its not "better jungler wins" its w/e jungle gets a slight lead can absolutely demolish the other jungler becuase there is no means of recovery while they have many means of crushing you even harder and putting you further behind.

and yes i am a jungler and i have frequently been on both sides of this fight.. and once your ahead you are hard pressed to lose the game unless your laners ROYALLY fuck up.

and if u get behind .. you are entirely dependent in your laners laving thier lane and coming to your aid