There's not even a point picking Trundle to reduce resists because fucking everyone does it now

Moody P·Nov 21, 2018·19 votes·8,461 views

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Why even bother at this point? I could pick any bruisers and get "enough" armor reduction most of the time without needing team followup to make sure the tank actually dies. Some champions could get even MORE because they can buy Black Cleaver on top of whatever innate they have or whatever armor pen they're stacking with it.

It's like the only thing keeping Trundle alive is the fact that he can just fucking shit all over Sejuani on the rare chance she gets picked. Trundle's niche got pulled out right from under him.

19 Comments

AbyssmalHydraNov 22, 20183 votes

As a big time trundle player, I think youre underrating him vastly, he can easily outduel 90% of melee laners, and still outscale them, his R is still insanely powerful, and his pillar is still one of he better catching tools in the game if you max it second. And if anyone runs Aftershock (especially Liss) he can still be really tanky, I think youre playing him too jungle oriented, playing him top is the way to go with him now, epecially since he has the FASTEST tower kill time in the game, throwing demolish + tri force on that will make you eat away at towers in the time enemies were able to recall to their fountain.

TL;DR: Trundle top is fine, Trundle JG not so much. Try it.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 22, 20182 votes

Why pick Ashe because everyone has physical damage now?

Yes. Most juggernauts have an armor shred and access to BC. It doesn't make his resistance (not just armor) steal (not shred) useless.

If his niche, though, was just to beat Sejuani, then he had no niche. Beating one champion is not a niche. That's a single hard-counter.

Moody PNov 22, 201814 votes

What kind of dumb shit straw man is that? Ashe has an innate permaslow and a global initiation.

Trundle's niche is to be an anti-tank. Anti-tank is literally universal right now as far as soloQ is concerned; it goes beyond other juggernauts. Trundle has been done dirty, and it's not even arguable.

DuskDaUmbreonNov 22, 20182 votes

I think you focused too much on the specific champion.

Literally any ADC would have fit there. I just picked Ashe because she was the first old one that came to mind.

Moody PNov 22, 20184 votes

It's just so annoying, man. Half of my champs just seem to get worse with time, either because Riot ignores them or deliberately shits on them. The other half just stays where they are because they abuse soloQ even if they aren't actually good

Trundle just can't justify being picked anymore because 70% of his strength as an anti-tank debuffer has become just a general quality for almost everyone. It doesn't help that top lane continues to shift harder to ultra-generalists who outrange and outdamage everyone else and the jungle is a complete mess

5050BSNov 22, 20181 votes

This is in part why he is at the bottom of junglers/top laners.

Slythrin UmbreonNov 22, 20181 votes

I think maybe he could still be played as a C/D tier support. So there's something to look forward to!

Tahminatrix Nov 22, 20181 votes

Since trundle steals resistances with his ult, couldn't you just go bruiser/damage items like item 3071 item 3748 (or maybe more towards attack speed/onhit) , maybe even go into the drain tanking territory and build stuff like item 3146 and item 3813 , take tenacity runes from precision and resolve (you can get over 50% without even buying merc treads but atleast getting elixir of iron)

then threaten the enemy tank with the fact that if he engages you will just ult him and run into his team?

LovelleNov 24, 20181 votes

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Since trundle steals resistances with his ult, couldn't you just go bruiser/damage items like (or maybe more towards attack speed/onhit) , maybe even go into the drain tanking territory and build stuff like and , take tenacity runes from precision and resolve (you can get over 50% without even buying merc treads but atleast getting elixir of iron)

then threaten the enemy tank with the fact that if he engages you will just ult him and run into his team?

If you go anything other than tanky with Trundle you will get shat on by the meta picks.

item 3071 He can't stack it fast enough to bother and his mana costs are too high early on rush it in lane or in the jungle. He also has no innate waveclear. It has some stats he likes, but it is far from optimal.

item 3748 This is a decent item on him, but it is very expensive and the build path is awful if the enemy team starts snowballing.

item 3148 Terrible item on him, offers no defense and his only AP ratio is on his ult. Not worth it.

item 3813 Too expensive, offers no defense, he doesn't need that much AD.

Honestly, they just need to reduce his cooldowns and mana costs and he'll be in a much better spot.

CaveslothNov 22, 20181 votes

RIot likes breaking our toys, and then leaving them to rot. Telling ya, they HATE their players if they aren't wearing an e-sports jersey.

MLDzXnRRRNov 22, 20181 votes

People were picking Trundle to facetank towers, while beating their opponent to death... once upon a time. I haven't played him in years - at some point he started getting pro play and eating nerfs. He needs a modern rework - think Sion/Poppy, too basic kit for current league. Modern champions with long or multiple dashes just run from him or have broken dmg - think Camille's true dmg Q etc...

Moody PNov 22, 20181 votes

please no sion poppy rework, those were awful

KFCeytronNov 22, 20181 votes

Even after his VU destroyed his old personality and lore, he's still not attractive enough for Riot to let him be a good pick.

Ignika DNov 22, 20181 votes

conqueror killed trundle in solo queue his 1 vs 1 outplay skill is worthless when they deal true damage so they ignore the bonus armor

ZeromatsuNov 22, 20181 votes

And I thought you would say: There's not even a point picking Trundle to reduce resists because no one builds resists anymore.

GogounNov 22, 20181 votes

Well, your point is accurate and I would add that his passive also got stolen in the form of Triumph, now every bruiser can be a Trundle. The only thing that still set him apart is his pillar and they keep nerfing it. So yeah, as much as I hate saying it as I've been a Trundle main many years some time ago, this champion has become very blend. I switched to more satisfying champs and rarely pick him anymore. :(

Pika FoxNov 22, 20181 votes

Nothing shreds comparable to trundle, and ontop of that trundle gets massively tanky while doing so. Trundle still works in the niche he is supposed to fill.

Glory97Nov 22, 20181 votes

But riot games needs to make games even shorter and with more face paced action, so that they can perhaps get a little bit of attention by the fortnite playerbase. All of these players like short matches with a lot of action. That's mainstream today.

So how could they possibly allow a tank to exist in a game. If champions are not always oneshotting each other, there would be strategie and counterplay in the game. This would be completly incomprehensible for a 10 year old.

And when tanks dissappear trundle doesn't really have much to do. But worry not, riot will probably give him some love and rework his ultimate to a 1000 true damage dash or something

LovelleNov 24, 20181 votes

I've been saying this for the last few years, then Riot goes and nerfs his Pillar and bite, instead of nerfing Subjugate. I don't understand their balancing decisions at all.