Still the same thing as in normal elo. Game decided by botlane. Gold Vayne and Leona carry the game because hurr durr adc counterplay adc mechanics. People in gold can use vayne to her fullest potential. Lets nerf Garen
Welp by carry i mean hold their own against me...
H1 H0w are Ya2 votesThen ban Vayne...
greekvandaL2 votes[{quoted}](name=H1 H0w are Ya,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vsZNOZtH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-01-16T21:25:55.495+0000)
Then ban Vayne...
Nah can't let Katarina be played below diamond 2
H1 H0w are Ya1 votesThen tell your team to ban her or pick her yourself
Naymliss1 votesVayne is not hard to play, especially in her current iteration with fleet footwork/relic. People need to stop pretending like it's so difficult to position in soloque when you get a free ranged alistar headbut, invis, and a small dash on an ADC. This is coming from someone who actually plays vayne as well.
Salron1 votesIf you can't 1v9 you shouldn't be smurfing
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If you can't 1v9 you shouldn't be smurfing
i only have 100% winrate sadly. teach me how to go 110%
z63XnLCMwX1 votesSmurfing then complains about game being unfair. You are so lul
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Welp by carry i mean hold their own against me...
Yeah pshh nothin personnel, kid
Azadethe1 votesNot like garen isn't broken as hell atm. He causes more problems right now than a Vayne ever will, due to his insane Tenacity Stacking, Healing, Damage. You just can't isolate and kill him anymore. He can just destroy all your CC and run away if in trouble.
greekvandaL1 votesNot like garen isn't broken as hell atm. He causes more problems right now than a Vayne ever will, due to his insane Tenacity Stacking, Healing, Damage. You just can't isolate and kill him anymore. He can just destroy all your CC and run away if in trouble.
tenacity is irrelevant. His healing is a bit obsene but w/e one auto cancels its. His dmg is only overwhelming if he gets a full E on a squishy ( he wont EVER...) or via his gimped passive
Azadethe1 votesI want to know your strategy for making Garen so irrelevant that he doesn't need to be 4v1'd, can be killed before he escapes, or can't escape.
I mean.... I main champs that used to actually box Garen in to where he could at least be 2v1'd.... and gave him overlapping cc. Now..... he gets away from them all:
all repeatedly apply 
I can land Karma W and Q after W Q on Garen and by 3 sequences, he's far enough away he can escape. I can Q Morg, Ult him, Soil him with the pool being behind him, and he can get through all 3 cc's with no problem at all. And he can do it chain after chain with no misses.
And, I can't get both 
and by the time he has this capability, because I generally play support. By the time I encounter him, he's got a 2-3 level advantage and 3 items. I can destroy him if he's on Lethality, but if he's tank, he just.... never dies, even if my team is 4v1ing him.
So by all means. explain your point of view as a rengar player.
greekvandaL1 votesI want to know your strategy for making Garen so irrelevant that he doesn't need to be 4v1'd, can be killed before he escapes, or can't escape.
I mean.... I main champs that used to actually box Garen in to where he could at least be 2v1'd.... and gave him overlapping cc. Now..... he gets away from them all:
And, I can't get both
So by all means. explain your point of view as a rengar player.
Dunno what you are talking about. I don't see Garen aproach anyone in the midgame without getting blown up. The only use of his i've seen is a good peeler for carries with the silence and shred. He is useless outside 1v1's .And even 1v1 he can be beat unless you got vilain on you. As for lane phase i litterally rolf stomp Garen on my smurfs everytime i see him( As Reng considering i quit darius cause he is attrocious atm) and talking about smurfs cause nobody gonna pick him above d4 ) His tenacity is USELESS cause everyone and their mother has knockups. You won't see a team without at least one or two knockups/displacements in a game.
Azadethe1 votesIn other words, you're saying he dies because the other team has knockups and enough punishment to kill him in 1 second, soley due to the skill level of the elo putting fights together and tight.
I've played Plat/Diamond, and I've played Silver/Gold, and here's what I find:
Yes. At high elo, players know how to collapse on someone immediately when an opportunistic cc hits them (just had a Diamond game this morning where I Jungled Leona vs a Xerath, Ashe, Zilean, Gangplank, Lee Sin. I spent the entire game pretty much just ulting Lee Sin and Ashe, and as soon as I did, even if I was out of timing, our mid Lux was just blowing up every stun, even though Lee was being a slippery devil. I couldn't get a lot of Q's in because Zilean and Xerath were Zoning my Leona with slow after slow along with Gangplank barrels, but that didn't stop my Lux from just destroying them).
I'm sure most of your Garen games also have an early game 
, but in Mid/Low elos, a Mage just can't get Garen low enough to proc Grievous wounds, and no one really builds Execution there.
He also is tanky enough that if you ignore him, he has Demolish and pretty much 3 shots a turret, and most teams don't have consistent enough knockups. Since I do Zyra, I do occasionally have one Knockup, as with Nami, but those don't really seal the deal vs a Garen who always has a 
greekvandaL1 votesIn other words, you're saying he dies because the other team has knockups and enough punishment to kill him in 1 second, soley due to the skill level of the elo putting fights together and tight.
I've played Plat/Diamond, and I've played Silver/Gold, and here's what I find:
Yes. At high elo, players know how to collapse on someone immediately when an opportunistic cc hits them (just had a Diamond game this morning where I Jungled Leona vs a Xerath, Ashe, Zilean, Gangplank, Lee Sin. I spent the entire game pretty much just ulting Lee Sin and Ashe, and as soon as I did, even if I was out of timing, our mid Lux was just blowing up every stun, even though Lee was being a slippery devil. I couldn't get a lot of Q's in because Zilean and Xerath were Zoning my Leona with slow after slow along with Gangplank barrels, but that didn't stop my Lux from just destroying them).
I'm sure most of your Garen games also have an early game
He also is tanky enough that if you ignore him, he has Demolish and pretty much 3 shots a turret, and most teams don't have consistent enough knockups. Since I do Zyra, I do occasionally have one Knockup, as with Nami, but those don't really seal the deal vs a Garen who always has a
Nah mate.Never bought a excutioner vs Garen lol. He healing is pathetic till lvl 11 where he unlocks his passive.
Azadethe1 votesAgain.... you're talking as someone who lanes top, not the team who inherits him from a top.
For all intents, let's suppose you're a new perfect top player, and only a top player.
I need a top only player to look at the Garen a team inherits if a perfect Top player like you doesn't exist, but instead slightly wins his lane and is level 13 by the time the other team inherits him. He's level 17 by the time the other team is level 14, because he just never gets stopped from farming, and never misses anything..... perks of a poor top laner who didn't really feed..... but couldn't stop him.
Sasogwa1 votesNot like garen isn't broken as hell atm. He causes more problems right now than a Vayne ever will, due to his insane Tenacity Stacking, Healing, Damage. You just can't isolate and kill him anymore. He can just destroy all your CC and run away if in trouble.
Garen causes more problems than a Vayne ever will? WHAT?
HAAHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAAH No.