Oh Kog buffs huh?

greekvandaL·Feb 13, 2018·77 votes·2,671 views

Well Kog went from the most disgusting pile of garbage to one of the supposedly weakest adcs in the game. So riot goes ahead and puts buffs on the pbe right?Hmm i guess Kog beeing balanced for a SINGLE FUCKING PATCH is too much for him to keep up with the rest BROKEN goddamn adcs so we have to patch em. HOW ABOUT YOU NERF ALL THE GODDAMN ADCS TO KEEP EM ALL AT THE SAME POWER LEVEL instead of buffing a problematic champion for beeing weak for one patch? Oh i dont know -silver 5 btw

Edit: KOG ISNT EVEN WEAK he is just normal and can be dealt with without needing 5 people to dive on him.

40 Comments

nelogisFeb 13, 201843 votes

But... but then our overlord ADCs aren't the main protagonist in every game anymore :(

Who else am I going to shield and heal? :(

I don't like to think when playing :(

So I think we should make late game hypercarries scale into late game off dagger and let support point and click heals and shields to them :)

This sounds like an engaging and fun gameplay pattern :)

And! and! and bruiser can play Kog and build him like a Juggernaut to let them feel like bruisers again :)

It's a win win don't you see? :)

DoozkuFeb 13, 20182 votes

:) :) :) :) :) :( :( :( :(

Jinx HunterFeb 13, 201811 votes

Riot showing their biased and favoritism as usual. Nothing new. That's why I quit top and play Jinx in bot.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 14, 20181 votes

Apparently Riot is always biased towards favoritism for whatever the boards currently hate the most...

Jinx HunterFeb 14, 20183 votes

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Apparently Riot is always biased towards favoritism for whatever the boards currently hate the most...

Nope, anyone with eyes can see their favorite think is marksmen, support, and tank. But mostly leaning on marksmen. Looking at their balance team and what they play tells you everything. Plus beyond that, they are always buffing them, like with almost every single class rework. Every singe one benefited marksmen in some way and buffed them just as much as the class that was getting "updated".

Their real baised is pretty clear. They love Marksmen champs, they hate assassin and bruiser champs. Its pretty evident.

SpecterVonBarenFeb 15, 20181 votes

Yesss yesss, just how Riot's favoritism was towards marksmen during the Juggernaut patch, or towards tanks during the Feral Flare meta, or towards supports during the waveclear mage meta of Season 4, or when tank junglers were greatly inferior to early gankers like Lee Sin and Elise.

Clearly they always show a favoritism towards a specific group and never want anything else to be strong. You're right, I have the memory of a goldfish and marksmen, supports, and tanks are and have always been the most powerful and favorite classes in the game and all seven of the previous seasons never existed.

WovyFeb 13, 20188 votes

But koggy is kawaii af, I dont see the problem

greekvandaLFeb 13, 201811 votes

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But koggy is kawaii af, I dont see the problem

Koggy is Kawaii in his base skin that dog skin is the most attrocious thing ever seen in league of legends since alpha.

nelogisFeb 13, 20187 votes

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BârdFeb 13, 20185 votes

Kog with 7% max HP damage on hit had a 53% win rate. He was too strong.

Kog with 5% max HP damage on hit has a 47% win rate. He's too weak.

The hope is that Kog with 6% max HP damage will be balanced.

Painted CeltFeb 13, 20182 votes

They should try leaving it at 5% with a token buff of like 0.1AP ratio on his ultimate. It's the compromise that will make the most people happy, since die-hard Kog'Maw players want freedom to play AP Kog again, and it'll also help normal Kog a bit thanks to item 3124 's AP. It might get him to 48-49% winrate as players learn to adjust (or even 50%+ again with the item 3022 revert [though I don't think most ranged champions, particularly KogMaw Teemo , should viably build it]), which is pretty reasonable.

Ahri BakaFeb 13, 20184 votes

As much as I hate to say that , but I love Xayah Cait Varus , but I agree they need nerfs with kog to make the game more balanced , but , please , Ezreal and Lucian and Jhin are in no need for a nerf :/ if Ezreal gets a nerf , he will fall till the dirt

RexxieeFeb 13, 20184 votes

kog isnt even weak? 45% wr 5% pick rate.

So you want every adc to be trash tier? lol

greekvandaLFeb 13, 201816 votes

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kog isnt even weak? 45% wr 5% pick rate.

So you want every adc to be trash tier? lol

yeah i wonder why he is weak hmmm Becase his lane got brought down to normal so tristana xayah and varus can oneshot him with him unable to retiliate cause he is no longer a hypercarry with recurve bow like they are with pickaxe dagger

shicky97Feb 13, 201840 votes

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kog isnt even weak? 45% wr 5% pick rate.

So you want every adc to be trash tier? lol

Kog should be trash tier in a meta where games frequently end at ~23 minutes. Heaven forbid hypercarries actually have to reach lategame to be able to murder everyone.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 13, 20183 votes

All of his current viable items are mid-game centric. THAT'S why he does a fuck ton of damage earlier on. Want to change that? Revert Triforce to make it viable on Kog'Maw and nerf Rageblade. EZ

Lord BoltsFeb 14, 20181 votes

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All of his current viable items are mid-game centric. THAT'S why he does a fuck ton of damage earlier on. Want to change that? Revert Triforce to make it viable on Kog'Maw and nerf Rageblade. EZ

Nerfing Rageblade is probably the best way to deal with Kog and Varus.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 14, 20181 votes

So then why didn't they do that? Instead its this back and forth of nerfing and buffing his W damage.

Lord BoltsFeb 14, 20181 votes

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So then why didn't they do that? Instead its this back and forth of nerfing and buffing his W damage.

The riot games special.

GeshultzFeb 13, 20185 votes

Expect Kog,Maw isn't a hypercarry but a mid game carry because his strongest powerspike is when he reaches max points in w + major powerspike item. That's how he was during when triforce was viable on him, and that's how he is now with rageblade. Kog'maw has an ok lategame damagewise but falls off due to how easy it is to get onto kog'maw.

RocketRelmFeb 14, 20184 votes

Kog Maw is the definition of a Hypercarry. There's a reason it's called a "Protect The Kogmaw Comp".

RebonackFeb 14, 20181 votes

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Kog Maw is the definition of a Hypercarry. There's a reason it's called a "Protect The Kogmaw Comp".

The definition of a hypercarry is a champion with a success curve that constantly grows with game time.

Twitch, Vayne, and old Tristana were all hypercarries. The onlytime Kog has followed that power curve was when his W scaled with attack damage.

Kog is a mid-game carry. Unlike Trist, Vayne, and Twitch he isn't self-sufficient He isn't a GG time-bomb that ends the game on his own. He's at his absolute strongest with two items when the team-fight phase is really kicking into high-gear. And that's how a 'Protect the X' champion has to work. If their damage doesn't really turn on until late game, then there's no real reason to build a team around them.

Champs like Vayne and Twitch don't have teams built around. They're the backup plan if the game doesn't get closed out fast.

AhristocatsFeb 14, 20185 votes

he has over 64% win rate in late game

what the fuck is your definition of a hypercarry?

Z3SleeperFeb 14, 20181 votes

You're talking about how he's performing now. If you look to the past Kog Maw has always been a late game hypercarry, not a mid game one.

But with the powercreep of Ardent Censer, supports in general and lowered cost of his core items, he's hitting his late game powerspike much sooner.

As you said, he is a mid game hypercarry now, and that's the problem.

RebonackFeb 14, 20181 votes

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You're talking about how he's performing now. If you look to the past Kog Maw has always been a late game hypercarry, not a mid game one.

But with the powercreep of Ardent Censer, supports in general and lowered cost of his core items, he's hitting his late game powerspike much sooner.

As you said, he is a mid game hypercarry now, and that's the problem.

I'm talking about how he's performed in the past. I'm a Kog main. Have been since Preseason 1. Ever since there was data available, I've been checking his win rate by game duration every month or so, give or take. At the moment his win rate in the late game is higher than it was before Riot shaved 2% off his W. Which, as you might imagine, doesn't make a great deal of sense. If I had to wager a guess, that's probably an artifact of his play-rate dropping into the toilet, resulting in more swing-y date.

No, I'm talking about old Trinity Force Kog. Which is more or less the same Kog we've got right now, just with a slightly different built-path and more protection from buffed Enchanters and Tanks. Old Kog really hit his stride at two items (Trinity and BoRK). Kog hits his stride with two items at present as well.

If a champion is meant to have a team built around them, this is important. The rest of the team is primarily packing utility and defense, they need a damage source. You want their damage to come online in the mid-game when team fights are happening, otherwise this team-comp falls completely flat. A proper mid-game carry should be equipped with steroids that don't really improve multiplicatively with item investment (Kog's W) and should be vulnerable and generally non-self sufficient.

Late game champions, by contrast, should lean more heavily on multiplicative steroids (Twitch, Vayne, Yi, ect) and have ample tools to allow them to proactively position and/or defend themselves. They need to be far more self-sufficient.

RebonackFeb 14, 20182 votes

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Expect Kog,Maw isn't a hypercarry but a mid game carry because his strongest powerspike is when he reaches max points in w + major powerspike item. That's how he was during when triforce was viable on him, and that's how he is now with rageblade. Kog'maw has an ok lategame damagewise but falls off due to how easy it is to get onto kog'maw.

Upvoted you, bro.

I've been pointing this out to people for years, but no one seems to really get it. The only time Kog has EVER been a hyper-carry was when his W scaled with AD for like, two patches.

Since Kog's only real steroid got gut-punched, I'm not sure if he even counts as a mid-game carry anymore. This is the problem with how Riot has designed him. Since his only lever is 'more damage' or 'less damage' even tiny changes can launch him into the gutter or into OP land.

Clockwork MouseFeb 13, 20184 votes

He needs a rework is what he needs. All of his power is in his W. His E is useless, and his Q is only good for the passive. The only time you use his ult is when someone gets too far away to auto attack, but unless they are 1 auto away from death anyway the ult does negligible damage. On top of it, all his passive is only usable when you die.

Just look at the patch, he went from powerhouse to weakling from just his W getting a nerf from 7% to 5% at max rank. That is very troubling!

Glory97Feb 13, 20184 votes

Actually this is a step into the right direction. Riot did a straight nerf that was impactfull on the champion, and now tries to figure out how he is balanced best. What riot would normally do is: half a year of meaningless nerfs "reduce base ad by 0.2" things until something happens. So i think this is quite good already.

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 13, 20182 votes

I wish riot would show the same dedication to other champs. Honest to god: do you believe if the next patch hits and gangplank sits at 45% winrate he would receive any buffs at all? No because the entirety of s7 he was in a shit spot. One of the hardest champs to learn in the game who nets his mains an average of 55% winrate pretty much the entire season and noone cares about. Meanwhile kog, twitch, tristana. Meanwhile evelynn who even gets buffed. Meanwhile janna. God forbid riot approved champs are not broken tier for a year. And no i'm not biased i don't really play GP anymore. Don't like this sit back and Q spam playstyle hoping your botlane doesn't lose the game in the meantime or that you atleast have the jungler otherwise you get towerdoven 24/7. Generate gold by being a Q bot and do nothing else for 20 minutes.

Glory97Feb 15, 20181 votes

GP is not really a good example. He is the most popular toplaner in competitive league of legends right now. And pro players show that this champion is actually strong if you are good with him. He doesn't need buffs, just so that every soloqueue player can play him. And actually riot does care about other champions aswell. Nunu buff, brand buff, viktor on pbe,... Some rather unpopular champions are allowed to have a comeback.

BjørnetjenestenFeb 13, 20184 votes

Hmm i guess Kog beeing balanced for a SINGLE FUCKING PATCH is too much for him to keep up with the rest BROKEN goddamn adcs so we have to patch em.

Underpowered =/= Balanced

Troll for TrumpFeb 14, 20183 votes

It's not wrong for Kog to get buffed.

It's wrong for Kog to get buffed so soon compared to the amount of time other champs are left in a equally poor (if not worse) state for significantly longer periods of time

NodirjonSattarovFeb 13, 20182 votes

I played a game the other day with an enemy Kha'zix that was pretty fed. He constantly one-shot me with the presence of my team mates around and escaped almost every time. I didn't really play that game at all. I started building armor+health items but really didn't do much to inhibit Kha'zix damage. So I'm not really sure what you mean by "without needing 5 people to dive him" when Kha'zix, Kat, Rengar work efficiently.

xelakerFeb 13, 20182 votes

Most of kha's problems come from the duskblade proq that adds like 500 free damage to his already snappy burst.

Pika FoxFeb 13, 20181 votes

You... do realize his items are being/have also been nerfed, right?

AimléssFeb 13, 20181 votes

How are you getting rekt by ADC's enough to be this salty in Silver 5? In that Elo, ADC's can't kite, and their teammates can't peel so a Kog would just get massacred... Literally the worst elo to be an ADC.

ThunderneedleFeb 14, 20183 votes

You say this like adcs need to kite this season.. .

saltranFeb 14, 20181 votes

Yes they need and you are straight up stupid if you think they don't.

AimléssFeb 14, 20181 votes

Lol go play a game and don't kite as an ADC at all, then tell me all about how you got banned for INTing.

greekvandaLFeb 14, 20183 votes

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How are you getting rekt by ADC's enough to be this salty in Silver 5? In that Elo, ADC's can't kite, and their teammates can't peel so a Kog would just get massacred... Literally the worst elo to be an ADC.

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