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Let's talk: Heimerdinger

Kowe The Ewok··3 votes·392 views

Main problems:

- The turrets have absolutely no life whatsoever. A Karthus Q... Some random AoE... A single Yasuo auto attack... Gone...

  • His passive is near useless since it doesn't heal normal towers anymore. His turrets die so fast that there might as well be no regeneration.
  • His turrets only have 450 range and are easily outranged by ANY common midlaner. - His base health is horribly low 350 + 75/lvl. For comparison: Azir has 390 + 80/lvl.
  • His cooldown are incredibly high (20s on Q; 11s on W; 10s on E) - His ultimate requires his W or E to be of cooldown. This means: You can't poke, else you're in danger of not being able to use your ultimate properly.
  • Also the projectile speed on his E is horribly low and by no means offers enough reward for its risk.
  • His attack animation is horribly unresponsive, especially with his low AD this makes last hitting a pain (- Alien Invader Heimerdinger does not shoot with his laser pistol :( )
  • His rockets barely ever manage to do full damage on a single target since they splitt again and have a significantly delayed start.
  • (Furthermore his whole damage can easily be avoided by any kind of dash.) - His turrets automatically aggro jungle creeps even if they're not hostile yet

I think many of these problems can easily be solved. So, what are your thoughts on Heimer?

15 Comments

DarthSpectrum2 votes

I agree that Heimerdinger needs to be buffed.

Although the turrets are no where as weak as you described them, one problem they have is that they are too ineffective against minions. Their health only permits them to survive one or two (early on) AAs from an AD mid such as Zed or Yasuo, which leads to the problem that enemy minions absolutely trample these turrets when they get aggro'ed.

Additionally, once his turrets are down, Heim has no escape mechanisms. Furthermore, with so little base health, the only scenario where he would be able to out last an opponent is against a Yasuo or Sona mid. (Only champions that can have a lower maximum health than he.) This just encourages the opposing laner to focus Heim rather than his turrets. (which would be dealt with by minions anyway.)

To increase his viability, I would give Heim a shielding ability, similar to that of Blitzcrank's. Say, for each turret on the battle field and within range, Heim gains a shield which scales off mana. The shield would have just a bit more health than a turret, around 1 AA worth of damage per turret.

Perhaps along the way, his turrets should gain resistance to minion damage.

With the changes, I believe that Heimerdinger would be a lot more powerful. His turrets would actually be a menace in a team fight, and he would not go down as quickly when focused.

blackcat13001 votes

If he gets buffed then Karthus should get buffed to.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

I'ld suggest to change his turrets' health from a flat amount to a stack system, simliar to wards. Scaling from 3 to 5 while leveling up his Q.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

He is a little boring to play, similar to the playstyle of Yorick, where all you do is spam ghosts/guns and let them do the dirty work.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

He is a little boring to play, similar to the playstyle of Yorick, where all you do is spam ghosts/guns and let them do the dirty work.

Sorry, but apparently have no clue what you are talking about. His rockets and his grenade are MUCH more challening than Yorick ever could be.

Btw. Checking your stats you don't seem to have any Heimer games. EDIT: Lolking also states that your are at 1187 MMR, no offense but at that MMR you can play ANYTHING and win. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/45365298#profile

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

He is a little boring to play, similar to the playstyle of Yorick, where all you do is spam ghosts/guns and let them do the dirty work.

Sorry, but apparently have no clue what you are talking about. His rockets and his grenade are MUCH more challening than Yorick ever could be.

Btw. Checking your stats you don't seem to have any Heimer games. EDIT: Lolking also states that your are at 1187 MMR, no offense but at that MMR you can play ANYTHING and win. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/45365298#profile

Like I said, he is boring, and when I say he is boring, does that mean I find it fun to keep playing a boring champ? -_-

And how many people kept on trying to "defeat an argument" simply by looking at people stats? These people nowadays. Most of my defeats came from afks & dc (all the time only when winning).

Btw, just the guns are boring, but I admit the W & E takes skills.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

He is a little boring to play, similar to the playstyle of Yorick, where all you do is spam ghosts/guns and let them do the dirty work.

Sorry, but apparently have no clue what you are talking about. His rockets and his grenade are MUCH more challening than Yorick ever could be.

Btw. Checking your stats you don't seem to have any Heimer games. EDIT: Lolking also states that your are at 1187 MMR, no offense but at that MMR you can play ANYTHING and win. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/45365298#profile

Like I said, he is boring, and when I say he is boring, does that mean I find it fun to keep playing a boring champ? -_-

And how many people kept on trying to "defeat an argument" simply by looking at people stats? These people nowadays. Most of my defeats came from afks & dc (all the time only when winning).

Btw, just the guns are boring, but I admit the W & E takes skills.

Yea, so he is boring for you. So you don't play him. I understand that. But why on earth do you think you can judge a champion you never play? Please, I want this to be a constructive discussion. You say Heimer does not have a problem without actually having ANY experience with him. This is not helping.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Meanwhile, people getting killed by turrets left behind after Heim dies. And you still say Heim has a problem.

So, why does absolutely NOBODY play Heimer if he is fine?

He is a little boring to play, similar to the playstyle of Yorick, where all you do is spam ghosts/guns and let them do the dirty work.

Sorry, but apparently have no clue what you are talking about. His rockets and his grenade are MUCH more challening than Yorick ever could be.

Btw. Checking your stats you don't seem to have any Heimer games. EDIT: Lolking also states that your are at 1187 MMR, no offense but at that MMR you can play ANYTHING and win. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/45365298#profile

Like I said, he is boring, and when I say he is boring, does that mean I find it fun to keep playing a boring champ? -_-

And how many people kept on trying to "defeat an argument" simply by looking at people stats? These people nowadays. Most of my defeats came from afks & dc (all the time only when winning).

Btw, just the guns are boring, but I admit the W & E takes skills.

Yea, so he is boring for you. So you don't play him. I understand that. But why on earth do you think you can judge a champion you never play? Please, I want this to be a constructive discussion. You say Heimer does not have a problem without actually having ANY experience with him. This is not helping.

I used him before, and I stopped a long time ago. Never bothered to touch that champion again since I prefer champs that can make more impact and actions than just this, ever since the meta of assassins came in.

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

Azir's soldiers do 3 times the damage are invincible and can be moved. I don't think that I am underrating Heimer's turrets. They do a good job for a quick drake or baron, but in an actual teamfight they die horribly fast ( as mentioned earlier: 1 single Karthus Q is enough).

blackcat13001 votes

Azir can only use one soldier at a time Hummer can us we turrets and auto attack and us his other abilities so, NO!

Skia Asteri1 votes

How about giving the turrets extra health based of Hiemer's bonus HP?

Kowe The Ewok1 votes

How about giving the turrets extra health based of Hiemer's bonus HP?

I don't think simply increasing the health will be a solution. Mainly because once an opponent starts snowballing against him he will be able to destroy his turrents more easily. The results in a situation where comeback become sheer impossible.

blackcat13001 votes

Don't Take the only conter pick Karthus has a way do you have no shame.

Has Karthus not suffered enough nerffs no buffs for the best laner in the game. Your guns can kills Turrets no other ap champ can use abilities to destroy turrets safely.

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