So... tank ekko is still a thing!!

The tankko builds are like a cockroach that just won't die regardless of how much poison Riot sprays on it

The past two games I've had with an Ekko, he has built literally 0 AP and nothing but tank items (check my match history)

My most recent game (as Talon), the Ekko built no AP at all and still topped his team's damage chart... In fact, he only did about 1000 less than I did (full AD Talon, 16/6/4 my team won)

?????

I don't know if they will ever be able to permanently get rid of tank Ekko. They've mentioned that they didn't realize how much constant %hp damage will turn a more DPS oriented kit into a Tank building monster. Ekko has 2 forms of % hp damage, and a spammable CC so really it's going to just stay around until it's reworked. His kit just has too much going on. I've heard that 'he isn't a realiable tank' because his stun is 'hard to land'. I'm not that convinced.

Imo tank ekko arent great, ap ekkos are what scares me. Tank ekko are decent at best, pretty good if hes really far ahead but then falls off later in the game doing no damage and meh tank. If you have a good ADC they will shred him down after 3 items. IE PD LW boom done, if he knows how to play adc correctly it should be no problem. AP ekko on the other hand.. you cant get close to him, AND you can get close to his shadow thing AND you cant get into stun range or he'll mess you up. AP ekko is the way to go man.

Yeah lol. The bruiser build is the best i think with ROA and then full tank. But nonetheless, yes he is still strong af by building mostly defensive stats. He just has so much CC as a "utility assassin"

tank ekko honestly isn't even a problem anymore. the nerfs did enough to his ability to build tank, it's much weaker now - and just because some of you feed him and don't know how to play against him doesn't make it broken.

It's the champ you're having trouble with, not the off-meta pick. because chances are you've never played him and/or never learned howto play against him period. he has clear weaknesses and fall off points now, as well as plenty of counter picks

god forbid any off-meta picks exist in this game though. I can understand tank yasuo and tank akali, but ekko has already been nerfed beyond the point of really being an issue anymore, past ppl just not knowing how to deal with him.

i think that we should be able to have different builds and still be viable. i mean if we only had 1 way of playing the game, then we shouldn't even have a choice on what items we can buy. it should be automatically bought in the shop.

The changes they made weren't aimed at eliminating tank Ekko builds, unfortunately.

They were only meant to give Ekko players a clear choice between survivability stats and damage, which is why his base damages were reduced and his base slow was altered to scale on AP.

I'm guessing that by the "bullshit" part of your (short) post that they're not as divided as you'd like, which is probably still true. But at this point I don't think he's a prevalent enough pick to get any more attention.

They just have to reduce some of the cc. I don't think his passive should slow for example. He has 3 slows for crying out loud!

With his mix of slows and mobillity, he's just to sticky, so it doesn't matter how long he needs to kill one, all that matters is that he kills his opponent befor he dies himself. All a sticky champ needs is sustained dps and tankiness. And for rea, ekkos sustained dps in his kit is nothing to speak off, it's rather low unless the target drops below 30%, however, there are two things that still alow him to get enough dps then going tanky: Fervor of Battle, that masterie is honestly bullshit and the main force behind tanky builts. It's just a metric ton of sustained dps for free. The second issue is , which is just a bullshit designed item. THe buff to potions together with it'S stats for 350g means it's actually the save start option, while also haveing the potential of giving aditional stats if snowballing or just beeing save. It's a low-/no-risk, high reward item. And on a champ that is very save(cc+huge-mobillity+tankiness, there is nothing saver than that), you are prettymuch ensured to get some stacks sooner or later, and with his strong early lane, it'S usually rather sooner, resulting in getting ~45ap for 350g at midgame with no drawback at all.

Masteries just dierly need another rework, they add for to much free damage to the game, allowing for tank builts that still have high enough dps aswell as good burst on anyone who wants it, it's just the epitome of damagecreep(there are more things factoring in though), which is the main reason for tank builts: they have enough damage despite building tanky and glasscanon builts only work on melees with instand gapcloseing and fast burst, else they die to fast to do their combo. As a result, tanky builts are viable and glasscannon builts aren't.

For the time beeing(cause i don't dare to hope that riot fixes damagecreep any time soon), Ekko needs to loose stickiness and mostly safety when going tank. His passive needs heavily reduced base stats on slow and ms and a high ap ratio to compensate(evt with a hardcap so it doesn't get absurd with full ap builts come to lategame), and the ult self heal should have no base at all and be all ratios, evt same for the missing health damage, though that has the potential of getting absurd on ap ekko later on as the ratio would need to be even high as compensation. I'd also like to have the passive on a 7sec cd rather than 5, but scaleing with cdr. This would mean the cd is the same as on his E, working well into his hit n run playstyle as AP, while the sustained dps it offers would be worse early and only slightly better at max cdr. Ap ekko could use ~0.5-1 sec more duration on his W shield, atleast at higher ranks, so he can go in for his combo as glasscannon without getting blown up instantly.

I made a post about tank ekko coming back more than a week ago, dunno why no one listened until now.

Not really; It was bullshti before because of the ridiculous damage AND cc. But you kind of have to choose now soooo; No not bullshit.

They should remove the slow from his passive, he already gains I believe 60%-80% movement speed when he procs it, why does his target movement speed need to be lowered by I think 50% as well.... he always has a strong slow on his Q...

His kit is never going to be played AP without a massive overhaul. You don't give a champ spammable CC, high base sustained damage, and percent-based healing without having them be played tank. His kit screams tank no matter what they had in mind.

Getting a rework with upcoming assassin update