RIOT IS NERFING LEE SIN

Mody bird·May 9, 2017·129 votes·7,643 views

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Movement speed lowered from 350 to 345.

Dragon's Rage (R) cooldown increased from 90/75/60 to 110/85/60

PRAISE THE SUN

208 Comments

Starcraft243verMay 9, 201767 votes

2 days from now : changes reverted. No reason.

TyrekGoldenspearMay 9, 201755 votes

I hope gameplay can move to someone else now.

I see Lee here more than ingame.

MistroTTCMay 9, 201711 votes

Probably onto Ahri next.

LostFr0stMay 9, 201721 votes

I vote Fizz. The ratio vs. base damage change doesn't seem like a net nerf when you do the math.

JbelsMay 9, 201731 votes

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I vote Fizz. The ratio vs. base damage change doesn't seem like a net nerf when you do the math.

Probably not meant to be one. Probably just encouragement to play Fizz as intended instead of as a tank

LostFr0stMay 9, 20177 votes

While I get the idea behind it, idk if the numbers pan out. We'll see I guess?

Seastone Trident (W) Passive's AP ratio increased from 33.3% to 40% Active's AP ratio increased from 33.3% to 40% Charged Active's AP ratio increased from 100% to 120% Damage changed from 25/40/55/70/85 to 20/30/40/50/60

3TWarriorMay 9, 201717 votes

if anything it looks like a buff XD

MarshbouyMay 9, 201717 votes

I see Lee Sin maybe 1/5 games. I see Lee Sin 95% of the time on the boards.

TyrekGoldenspearMay 9, 20178 votes

My point exactly.

Mast3rShakeMay 10, 20175 votes

You don't see him much in your silver normal games...no one cares

TyrekGoldenspearMay 10, 201710 votes

Well clearly someone cares becuase of the comment chain...

Kindly take your salt back to the mines and rank shame somebody who cares about that kind of thing.

NineTailedMysticMay 10, 20172 votes

I already know who's next on the chopping block. Sigh...

GULAG 4 UMay 10, 20178 votes

Yasuo.

FTFY.

Jeddy017May 10, 20174 votes

Oh sweet, I can't wait for next week's episode of "Salty Circlejerk of Gameplay". My bet is Yasuo (hopefully I'll win this time).

RalanrMay 9, 201730 votes

Wow, they lowered his MS as well. Impressive.

JbelsMay 9, 201720 votes

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Wow, they lowered his MS as well. Impressive.

Yeah man, they nerfed both of the things we were all constantly saying would make him fine if they did. It's crazy

Golden Tager XMay 10, 20178 votes

And then you will see

This isn't why is he is good.

GULAG 4 UMay 10, 20176 votes

Nerfing 5 ms on lee literally does fucking nothing jesus christ.

Hellen KellerMay 10, 201717 votes

..and here we can see the Hate Boner, indigenous to the Gameplay boards - no matter what happens, their hatred cannot be sated. These players won't be happy until the target of their hate boner is literally removed from the game.

HaIlMonitorMay 11, 20172 votes

I don't blame them lol. Lee has been t1 sense I started playing in season 3 except for a massive 3 months at the start of season 5. It is pathetic that the jungle seems to be balanced off of how well Lee does.

WinTheWarOnPantsMay 10, 201714 votes

Having one of the highest mobility in the game AND being able to outrun every champ(with only 3 exceptions) when his mobility is on CD is a huge reason he is so universally good. I would like it reduced to 340 which is the MS tier of almost all other high mobility champs Camille Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Riven etc, but this will be nice for now.

Potato DocMay 9, 201710 votes

5 on MS and 20 on his ult lv 1 Not even close to what it really needs to be, but its a start I guess

AirKingNeoMay 9, 201712 votes

What? That's a huge nerf.

Do people not understand that 20 seconds off ult means less ganks and less MS means less of this WARD HOP R QQ die?

Sun Wu RyuumokuMay 9, 20176 votes

What? That's a huge nerf.

yeah

Do people not understand that 20 seconds off ult means less ganks

No. Lee sin isnt ult reliant like MonkeyKing Nocturne ... that's why he's so strong btw (he's good pre 6).

Now when u juke his Q u will have the possibility to escape him, its great IMO.

TwinkieProMay 10, 20178 votes

He's not as ult reliant in the early game, but late game that's nearly all of his power budget, which is why the level 3 ult CD is unchanged.

Fisher No ChainsMay 9, 20179 votes

You mean BOTH Graves and Lee!

Jesus that's beautiful.

That Fizz compensation though.

AirKingNeoMay 9, 201710 votes

They want Ap Fizz to work while making Tonk Fizz die.

Makes sense.

Fisher No ChainsMay 10, 201714 votes

Implying that AP Fizz needs big compensations.

I mean, he lost ~25 base damage and got 34% more scaling. He's going to burst even faster mid/late.

AwhegarkMay 10, 20172 votes

Actually no, he will do less damage late game unless going full ap, In which case it will be fine since he won't be able to also tank your whole team while raping you. So this fixes fizz by killing his tank build which was the only problem.

DivewingMay 10, 20179 votes

He's not talking about tank fizz. It's obvious this is being aimed at Tank Fizz, but his point is that AP Fizz was not weak, just Tank was "better", so buffing AP Fizz, even with the lower base damage, may come back to bite Rito in the poros

TheorcheroMay 9, 20179 votes

Lee Sin

Movement speed lowered from 350 to 345.
Dragon's Rage (R) cooldown increased from 90/75/60 to 110/85/60

That's a huge nerf.

BisaknospMay 9, 201714 votes

ms should be 340 like vi

Hellen KellerMay 10, 20179 votes

Gotta disagree. Lee Sin doesn't have a guranteed, can-not-fuck-up pass to the backline.

Synnx7May 9, 20178 votes

U srsly call this a nerf? When 10 ban hits, he'll be fucking perma banned untill they remove that ward hopping

TheorcheroMay 9, 201712 votes

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U srsly call this a nerf? When 10 ban hits, he'll be fucking perma banned untill they remove that ward hopping

5 MS and 20s more on his ult is huge because his biggest window of opportunity is early game.

BIH DiamondMay 9, 20172 votes

When 10 ban hits, he'll be fucking perma banned untill they remove that ward hopping

In silver/gold/bronze, yes.

TotalJerkMay 10, 201724 votes

lol if you're so afraid of a Bronze Lee Sin that you're banning him you deserve your elo.

MelledoneusMay 11, 20173 votes

I'd rather ban that broken piece of shit Sejuani. Literally shrugs off damage from everything with that ridiculous passive.

SarchiaponMay 9, 20178 votes

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Heretic LunariMay 10, 20178 votes

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Movement speed lowered from 350 to 345.

Dragon's Rage (R) cooldown increased from 90/75/60 to 110/85/60

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PRAISE THE SUN

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AzteryzMay 10, 20176 votes

lee nerfs are good and all

BUT DID I HEAR SOMEONE SAY SUN AND PRAISE???

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Mody birdMay 10, 20173 votes

I DID INDEED

AgeOfTheMageMay 10, 20173 votes

It wasn't exactly his ult I had a problems with, however his W. not the ward hopping, some mobility is good, my main problems were his q damage(not so much) and his 2nd W. seriously, 30% lifesteal and spellvamp on a bruiser(i think? not the greatest with classification)

VekknaMay 10, 20173 votes

They need to hit the Q so he has to make the choice between building/playing as an assassin or building as a disruptor whose damage falls off.

invisiblecat1May 10, 20171 votes

Not like this is going to change much

TotalJerkMay 10, 201721 votes

The ult cooldown at early ranks is probably the single most frustrating thing about him at all elos ATM. They hit him EXACTLY where they should've hit him. Now he wont have it up every fucking gank.

DivewingMay 10, 20174 votes

Or up for a gank after he had to "waste" it because he was stupid enough to get caught in the enemy jungle

HigeMay 10, 20171 votes

I can understand the ult nerf but the MS nerf seems so little, 5 MS? really? on a champ that has 2 dashes? on comparison Rakan has 335, and yeah his ult buffs this number up but come on