Also, only thing lucian had as a fucking ton of physical damage. Why does kalista not only has higher range, but deals a considerable amount of magic damage with W passive, has infinite scaling damage, low mana costs and INFINITE mobility. If two sec CD lucian E was annoying, can you imagine what your playerbase think about kalista passive?
Arcane Azmadi36 votesLucian wasn't designed by CertainlyT, that's why. His champs get special treatment.
Zone of Endless23 votesRito's logic
Lucian too mobile: Nerf
But wait, let release an adc with infinite dash and say her weakness is be unable to cancel AA
Dengeden9 votesNo, that's your logic. There are multiple factors that make a champion (too) strong. They're there even if you ignore them, sorry.
MohawkBird2 votes[deleted]
Ariel the Cruel3 votesI can't count how many times I've seen people cancel autos and miss a ton of damage
can't move during her Autos either. Even if the bullet is half-way to the enemy nexus chasing as recalled target, it disappears the moment she moves.
DisasterSola16 votesBecause lucian is an AD caster. Unlike lucian, kalista has to land many auto attacks to DO most of her damage.
DropFill29 votesBecause lucian is an AD caster. Unlike lucian, kalista has to land many auto attacks to DO most of her damage.
Lucian is a AD caster? Actually, only his Q has a AD ratio. The rest is only there to give him benefits from his passive, that increases his AA dps, which means he is not that much of a AD caster
Remlap122321 votesLucian is a AD caster? Actually, only his Q has a AD ratio. The rest is only there to give him benefits from his passive, that increases his AA dps, which means he is not that much of a AD caster
You know what he's trying to say. Lucian is a burst damage carry. He's not necessarily a caster. Graves is also a burst damage carry, but he's also a caster.
Same thing goes for Twitch and Miss Fortune. Both sustained damage AD carries with on hit effects on their AAs, but MF is more of a caster than Twitch is.
DisasterSola5 votesLucian is a AD caster? Actually, only his Q has a AD ratio. The rest is only there to give him benefits from his passive, that increases his AA dps, which means he is not that much of a AD caster
AD casters do most of their damage via abilities. Graves is also an AD caster.
YumaS2Astral5 votesLucian is a AD caster? Actually, only his Q has a AD ratio. The rest is only there to give him benefits from his passive, that increases his AA dps, which means he is not that much of a AD caster
Just a fact: Lucian used to be played as an AD caster before the nerfs from 4.19. Players were trying to max cooldown reduction on him (with Ionian Boots, Youmuu's, masteries and runes) and focus on his passive and his AD ratios, instead of playing him with attack speed like most ADCs.
This build is still viable but it is not nearly as strong as before, that's why most people play him like a normal ADC. Statikk Shiv has a lot of synergy with his passive, too.
S H A Y C 05 votesyou say that like its a skill shot and she can actually "miss" ROFL!
Aeolian Melodies2 votesBecause lucian is an AD caster. Unlike lucian, kalista has to land many auto attacks to DO most of her damage.
so hard to land AAs with her range + passive, I mean really landing that right click is a continual challenge right?
MLDzXnRRR10 votesKalista shreds whole teams + her slow is toxic. At least you can catch Lucian.
Dengeden5 votesYou could not catch the old Lucian. His dash was pretty much never on cooldown and it removed slows. His range was also way better than Kali's.
MLDzXnRRR15 votesYou could not catch the old Lucian. His dash was pretty much never on cooldown and it removed slows. His range was also way better than Kali's.
But now you can...
Dengeden3 votesKalista's passive is a lot more restrictive... and she has weaknesses that Lucian never had.
doublelift fg5 votesi'm sorry did you said weaknesses? when i heard kalista and weaknesses i almot get a cancer
kalista's only weakness is targeted cc, which isn't a weakness
doubleguac3 votesI hate Kalista as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that lucian has/had NO advantages over her.
Lucian has lots of upfront burst. When he was hyper mobile, he could pop in and out, dropping one spell and maybe a passive auto and deal lots of damage with that combo.
Kalista has very little upfront burst. She has to commit to a trade a bit more, and actually drop a decent number of autos on a target if she wants to do any real damage to them.
Like I said though, I hate playing against Kalista way more than I ever hated playing against lucian.
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
Narasimha1 votesIf she's with a ranged support, it's also a lot easier to just kill the support. And then she has NO damage without stacking up a bunch of spears.
Aeolian Melodies2 votesIf she's with a ranged support, it's also a lot easier to just kill the support. And then she has NO damage without stacking up a bunch of spears.
then Kali ults the support to safety
Have fun catching a 
+ 
combo
Zair Umbras1 votesPart her with Leona and she has even more 'tons of damage'.
WolfBV8 votesAnd Kalista's support can last hit for her :3
MrSlowDie6 votesNo. Don't nerf kalista range. Nerf kalista's attack speed instead.
If you nerf her range, than what's the difference between lucian and kalista o__o
Maple Crusader6 votesNo. Don't nerf kalista range. Nerf kalista's attack speed instead.
If you nerf her range, than what's the difference between lucian and kalista o__o
Lucian can cancel AA while Kalista can't?
DomainSpecific5 votesKalista's W passive needs to go. It gives her so much stupid trading potential. If that's too harsh, maybe move it to her R, so at least you can outtrade her from lvls 1 to 5.
Castanean5 votesI feel like you're exaggarating a little bit. Sure, Kalista can be annoying as all hell to fight, but she's not the most OP thing out there. Also, the way you describe things make them sound a lot better than they actually are.
Considerable amount of damage with W Passive. Yes, it IS a considerable amount, that's true. But it can only happen once every 6 seconds, not to mention it needs the support to be hitting the same target. She can't do it alone.
Infinite scaling damage. First of all; that's actually false. It DOES stop. Second; saying "Infinite Scaling Damage" implies someting like Veigar or Nasus' Q. Rend does a LOT of damage, that's true, but she still has to stack it up a while for that to actually happen, and if no one is protecting her, it shouldn't be TOO difficult to kill her before her stacks get out of hand.
"INFINITE mobility" I don't think you quite grasp how much the word "Infinite" actually implies. Here's the thing; Kalista can't jump INFINITELY. Not unless there's enemies nearby. Her jumps are also pretty short range. She ain't exactly LeBlanc. It's good for manouvering the battlefield, not a huge amount else.
Not saying Riot didn't mess up a bit with Kalista, but hey, they've at least TRIED to fix her. Her hops are far from as good as they used to be. Honestly though, I think Kalista would be WAY worse if they didn't focus on teamwork with her support as the biggest part of her kit. Imagine if she could do all this shit completely on her own.
DropFill2 votesI feel like you're exaggarating a little bit. Sure, Kalista can be annoying as all hell to fight, but she's not the most OP thing out there. Also, the way you describe things make them sound a lot better than they actually are.
Considerable amount of damage with W Passive. Yes, it IS a considerable amount, that's true. But it can only happen once every 6 seconds, not to mention it needs the support to be hitting the same target. She can't do it alone.
Infinite scaling damage. First of all; that's actually false. It DOES stop. Second; saying "Infinite Scaling Damage" implies someting like Veigar or Nasus' Q. Rend does a LOT of damage, that's true, but she still has to stack it up a while for that to actually happen, and if no one is protecting her, it shouldn't be TOO difficult to kill her before her stacks get out of hand.
"INFINITE mobility" I don't think you quite grasp how much the word "Infinite" actually implies. Here's the thing; Kalista can't jump INFINITELY. Not unless there's enemies nearby. Her jumps are also pretty short range. She ain't exactly LeBlanc. It's good for manouvering the battlefield, not a huge amount else.
Not saying Riot didn't mess up a bit with Kalista, but hey, they've at least TRIED to fix her. Her hops are far from as good as they used to be. Honestly though, I think Kalista would be WAY worse if they didn't focus on teamwork with her support as the biggest part of her kit. Imagine if she could do all this shit completely on her own.
If she has no enemies to AA, she has no reason at all to dash. Also, her Q makes her dash
Castanean5 votes10 health left, being chased by Caitlyn up river, near the dragon pit. Enemy jungler is trying to pincer her, so she can't reach the opening. She's gonna want to cross that wall. If she Qs, Cait can simply follow her and E. If she tries to use a basic attack; SURPRISE! Cait kills her(Really though, any ADC with 550 range can do that.) It's a situational example, sure, but it's there nonetheless.
Point is; Kalista's jump is only for positioning while in battle, and can't be used for much else. You can dodge skillshots with it, sure, but so can any other ADC by simply walking out of the way. There ARE some disadvantages to Kalista's jumps too. It's easy for beginner Kalista players to accidentally jump out of range, and even when you get a bit better at her that can happen sometimes. It's not precise, so there's a thing you can abuse against her. Another thing you can do is force her to constantly jump, that's actually going to lower her DPS that alone. While she's jumping, her attack speed is "capped" sort of. She has to stop and stand still to get her full DPS if her attack speed goes above what her jumps allow. And considering how people build her, that's gonna be about 90% of the time.
Sammystorm4 votesI love how you make a post that greatly exaggerates everything. For Kalista to have infinite anything she has to be against some one with no gap closers and infinite health.
I mean come on she can't dash anywhere like Lucian can she has to attack something first; usually you. Lucians mobility was way better.
BeerOfRoot48433 votes"He has too much damage!"
"Ok, we'll nerf his damage and range and give him more mobility."
"He's too mobile!"
"Ok, we'll nerf his mobility."
"You nerfed his damage and his mobility; now he's not that strong anymore."
"Ok, well nerf him again."
"He still has the range nerfs you gave him, to compensate for the E buff that you got rid of. Could we have either the mobility or the range, and not both? At least there'll be a trade-off."
"No." Kalista has been revealed
Savage Winter2 votesremember way.... waaaaayyy..... back when sivir used to ...... anything
Critmaster Garen41 votes[{quoted}](name=Savage Winter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vi6q3Qpm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-30T05:06:34.729+0000)
remember way.... waaaaayyy..... back when sivir used to ...... anything
you mean like a couple of weeks ago? shes still a strong pick in solo que.
LICENSED HOOKER1 votescan you break down why shes strong, i played her a few times i just cant win. I feel that shes weak compared to almost all other adcs like unless it takes skill to use her?
Marinaras Trench8 votesHer Ulti and Her W are insane in team fights. You know how 
is stupid strong? Well sivir's ultimate is like a better version of it for free. Her W and Q give you so much AOE damage and make it so while your busting down the tanks you can still do damage to the squishy back line and make it easier to clean up once the tanks are dead with your ulti. She does require a bit of team coordination to make it work but paired with the right champions (Low mobility high damage carries that your ults let them get in to the fight 
etc.) she can be stupid strong.
LICENSED HOOKER3 votesohhh, so she excels at teamfights?
Morsigil7 votesShe has a very safe laning phase due to her spell shield and great wave clear. Once you learn her Q she has good poke, too. So playing alongside a competent support means you'll have plenty of breathing room to farm. Don't be afraid to go aggressive though, because her ult and spell shield open up opportunities to catch your opponent off guard.
The things to master with her are the AA - W - AA burst and using her ult to create picks for yourself and your team.
LICENSED HOOKER3 votesi tried playing her because i suck complete dirt at adc, i main sup and jungle so i get placed in adc rarely ive lost even sivir game so far.
kJs2 votesHave you ever tried ganking a 
? It's a nightmare.
Joe Dredd3 votes"better version of it for free" its her god damn ult it's not free
ZenBudS1 votesyeah i was thinking the same thing lol. paired with that item on support though you can catch a lot of teams off guard.
What Is Smite4 votesSo 
+ + Sivir Ult = Speedy Gonzales team?
ZenBudS2 voteslol real G's get lulu supports and get that giant potion to be the big mouse on the block.
XxxLumberJackxxX4 votescan you break down why shes strong, i played her a few times i just cant win. I feel that shes weak compared to almost all other adcs like unless it takes skill to use her?
Her teamfight is one of the best. Picture ulting when you ahve volibear/darius/chogath on your team. Their problems are getting close to enemies. Boom problem solved enemy team wrecked
Sp33d Zer01 votesLucian was a tank killer, could burst squishies, didnt need to rev up his damage and had high mobility. That's why he got nerfed
DropFill16 votes[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vi6q3Qpm,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-06-30T06:10:15.243+0000)
Lucian was a tank killer, could burst squishies, didnt need to rev up his damage and had high mobility. That's why he got nerfed
Lucian was a tank killer? Kalista is a tank killer with health damage and infinite scaling damage. Also, she can easily kite tanks
Sp33d Zer04 votesDouble shot procs things like BotRK which shreds tanks. Kalista can kite tanks sure, but she has a very VERY slow time killing them with her core items being (in a lot of cases I have seen, but not quite all) Hurricane BotRK Bloodthirster. That combo does not shred tanks as quickly as A lucian with just Blade of the Ruined king and lots of crit with armor pen.
Anidan5 votesJust having a botrk doesn't make you a tank killer.
Zair Umbras2 votesNo, but being able to proc it multiple times incredibly quickly can make you into a tank killer. Not many champions can non-stop attack twice. In fact, the only ones who can make a BotRK into a tank killer without tank killing in their kit is WW, Shyv, and Yi. Yi has gotten much worse though with the new Sated. Good Bye healthbar in only 3 AA's that happen in a flat second. lol.
I do need to see how Lucian's passive interacts with the new devourer. If it's the same as Yi's, that'd be E+AA+Q+AA=6 on-hits in only 2 AA's. Could be somethin' scary, but I don't think it will be.