CC should not be the only counter to a champion..if thats the case make every skill shot point aand click so that every champion must get CCed in order for it to die,not some champions only like 
Dodge,CC,play with their minds 
"jUsT cC hIm"
420 grams65 votesThat's better than lanes that are "have your jungler gank them". Like gee, I never thought of that. Let me just move my second character I'm playing with this game
NaturesMayhem32 votes"have your jungler gank them", in other words, you need two players to kill one person, that's not okay.
GayFluffyUnicorn27 votesWelcome to toplane where every balance issue is treated by riot saying "well technically you got a jungler so go fuck yourself"-
DeusVult9 votesSome cases of "just have your jungler gank them" are balanced cases
For instance, Top lane morde has some matchups where the other player cannot fight him, he gets a big early push and you cannot fight him inside the minion wave. There are also some matchups that morde loses 1v1. But in the matchups that he wins, morde is always extended. So your own jungler can look to constantly gank any time that morde extends past the middle of the lane, since he has 0 escapes.
Fiora wins almost all 1v1s. But she is garbage in large teamfights. Darius and Illaoi have dominant laning phases, and can 1v1 most champs with their high base damages, but they have low mobility and a gank against them generally means a kill which puts them behind. (unless your jungler is dumb and waits to gank post 6 where they can turn around a 2v1 if played well
Verxint2 votesWhat I never get is when I see "They have a weak early game" and "Have your jungler gank them" in the description for how to handle a champion. If they're weak early, why do I need to gank them...?
Tegash2 votesBecause that closes them out of the game and delays their scaling. They can't fight back early so you shut them down, and then they're useless late.
Does ganking a Draven before 6 make sense?
Strawberry Milk43 votesI like these post because I can picture so vividly how your last game went with like a 22/1/7 Tryndamere and I've been there. Just cc him.
Death by Glamour30 votesor the other favourite
"just kite him"
Moody P9 votesimplying that kiting isn't one of the biggest counterplays in the game
Death by Glamour8 votesyou try kiting an insta gib from rengar/lb/talon
Moody P10 votesyou know full well nobody tells you to kite those champions lol
agac42342 voteswtf u mean lmao if u dont kite its ur fault. kiting isnt hard and it counters alot of champions. if u cant even kite its ur own fault
Hethalean28 votesYeah, I agree. The counter to literally every champion shouldn't be a particular champions only counter. Just bad design imo.
Noor Sakata22 votesI mean , isn't one of the main reasons for Q is to dodge cc?
PopcornBunni2 votesOn reaction no less. Any cc that isn't absolutely instant he can Q on reaction. And even then the way the server-side data updates makes cc effects have a delay until the next packet updates, so he can Q on reaction to like, 
root after it lands.
3TWarrior1 votesnot sure of that. He might be able to Q during the animation that casts ryze's root, but otherwise, that's likely a bug
PopcornBunni1 votesNot a bug. Just a consequence of how the game data is sent between the server and the players. It's the same reason why players can dash a split second AFTER walking onto Soraka's silence or Cassiopoeia's Grounding, or why it takes an extra few frames going through 
's barrier before being knocked down.
The alternative would be attacks literally going through targets because the opponent moved past it on their side but not when the client updated, resulting in a huge amount of frustrating skillshots missing when they should hit, and worse, point-and-click abilities causing complete desyncs until the client sorts it out.
3TWarrior1 votesI dunno, as i've timed things to a champion's animation before, but if the attack is already registered, it's likely a bug
there are some odd things that can happen with latency though
drash7915 votes"JuSt cC tHeM."- Challenger chad
"But my elo trash team😭😭😭😫👌"- bronze virgin
BestPudgeNA2 votes"JuSt cC tHeM."- Challenger chad
"But my elo trash team😭😭😭😫👌"- bronze virgin
">Chads sit inside all day playing 1000s of games of LOL to become good enough to hit Challenger"
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Tahminatrix 10 votesWell tryndamere jax and yi all have ways to negate slows via their gap closers....( + yi ult)
so there goes most of the cc in the game.
ValiantKiller4 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdl7EoXd,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-27T17:57:08.075+0000)
Well tryndamere jax and yi all have ways to negate slows via their gap closers....( + yi ult)
so there goes most of the cc in the game.
And his ult make him immune to slow too and attack speed slow as well.
Tahminatrix 2 votesThat's what I said...(+ yi ult)
ValiantKiller3 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vdl7EoXd,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-10-27T18:07:56.581+0000)
That's what I said...(+ yi ult)
Yes but i mean not many notice that his ult make him ignore the attack speed slow from 
etc
SwiftKitten889 votes.... as a player who mains a champ with zero cc
and who secondary role mains a champ with incredible CC 
there are plenty of champs that are WAY more effected by CC than others
tanky champs obviously care less about CC
while squishies care more
when champs like 
which normally have decent mobility with a large shield, shecan be easily stopped do to the fact that her shield is tied to her dash... she she cant shield herself while in CC like a root, silence, or grounded
champs like or 
can because almost unstoppable if they are fed and played properly unless u can actually hit them with a form of hard CC, and because they have very low cooldown abilties they can use to dodge most CC throw at them... if if they do actaulyl get hit by a hard CC it is extremly effective at giving you an opportunity to stop them
where CC vs 
is laughably useless unless you can constantly refresh it. with something like 
and spammable spells or a 
or your just playing 
when people say "just CC them" it literally means.. THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO TAKE THEM DOWN
if u hit a riven with a morg Q and she is stuck there for three second.. she cant do jack shit. even if your a a melee champ coming to go into melee range of her after your allied support CCed them
where even as champs like 
who you can stop from chasing you... he can still do many thing to attack you back even while rooted.. most notably if your a melee champ and an ally rooted him, or you just managed to root him right before he was in AA range
saying "just CC them" means a hell of a lot more when u say it to a " than it does if u say it to 
"
your point that "just CC them is equal in any way to "just kill them" is ludicroius
BEK Makadur1 votesFinally someonewith reasonable arguments.
BaldBritney8 votesthe cc arguement is especially invalid in cases where champions such has have morgana, who stops cc
Andevar1 votesThat’s only if people are stupid enough to CC her shield.
3TWarrior5 votesit lasts long enough for a yi or tryndamere to engage...
it's also a shield that is only destroyed by magic damage, so if your crowd control is physical, it wiill only deal damage
Andevar1 votesSo fire a spell to get rid of the spell shield before attempting to CC them?????
3TWarrior1 votes"fire a spell" sure thing, would you do that as Jax with his Q or W ?
would you do that as chogath with his Q or W ?
with ryze, would you do that with his Q, W or E ?
there are very few champions that would be guaranteed a hit and if the morganna is spec'd for AP, even fewer that could pierce the shield in one spell
Andevar1 votesThere’s 4 other people on your team you know.
3TWarrior1 votesthat's why I was mentioning several sources with easily available crowd control that WILL NOT break morgana's shield...
leblanc's chain, brand has to land two spells for CC, morgana(which can't happen in ranked) might be able to break her own spell shield but it's unlikely unless she played mid-lane, Ekko's crowd control would not apply first because he has to get in range for it to take effect, blitzcrank has only one ranged engage
how many people have to engage one target just to break a shield?
crippler382 votesIf your crowd control is magical it won't even do that though, it'll just pop the shield.
Breaking the shield then crowd controlling them is annoying, but doable.
PopcornBunni5 votesEspecially when you have hard carries that are immune to various ccs in the first place 
Jerry SeinfeId5 votesso vel and xerath are better design because you can dodge their kits. ok, so don't allow the other 3 to get in range then.
if vel koz gets cc'd he most likely lives because his frontline is still there to back him up or they're already dead so the fight is lost anyway. Yi gets cc'd and he's in the middle of your whole team.
if "just cc them" is bullshit then "just dodge their abilities" is bullshit too.
Nyarlathοtep5 votesok, so don't allow the other 3 to get in range then.
Something something. OH YEAH, they have gapclosers in their kit. Its not really easy to keep them away from you. It also doesnt help also the fact that only displacements stop dashes.
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesSomething something. OH YEAH, they have gapclosers in their kit.
which vel koz and xerath outrange. beating vel koz and xerath is piss easy right? while they play from a lane away. If these 2 champs wanted to they'd never interact with their lane opponent.
they have those gapclosers to even stand a chance against champs with range. it's called a tradeoff.
only displacements stop dashes.
straight up wrong. riot has added non knockback/up abilities that stop dashes. Including but not limited to Jinx' chompers, Poppy's steadfast presence and Singed's super mega adhesive.
But let's say that is true in your situation, idk about xerath but i'll assume his stun doesn't stop dashes from being completed. they're still stunned after that. it's not like your stun doesn't do anything to em. As a matter of fact i think in some situations it'd be beneficial as it could potentially put them in a very shitty spot.
so no you might not be beating em 1v1 but that's kinda what these guys are good at you know.
FCJAAAAGOOOO4 votesIt is when they're melee and their only way of significantly hurting you is with melee autoattacks 
.
Jax and Yi do cheat a bit.
CppL1 votesAnd tryndamere with his no cd spinning,rng crits and 5s immortality is not cheating ?
FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votesMy boy, it doesn't get much more cheap for engaging as melee using abilities than instantly being untargetable or having an instant AoE stun, doing significant damage and teleporting directly on top of the target of your choice.
coreychichi3 votesThe issue is most cc is extremely telegraphed giving shit like yi easy counterplay options, especially when he’s moving at these enhanced speeds he can easily dodge that’s his counterplay opportunity.
Your counterplay opportunity is to just not fucking exist anywhere near him cause he will likely dodge your slow af telegraphed cc skillshot then proceed in to a showing of the champs own skill which involves right clicking and pressing q.
If cc is the only counter to this bs it needs to be point and click. Which is pretty much what he’s doing to you so it seems fair.
bottom line is if right click and faceroll braindead champs can exist then so should braindead point and click cc.
IainG101 votesWhich is why if I see BS champs like Yi or Jax I just go 'Screw whatever I wanted to play, I'm gonna be playing 
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/ and max CDR as a priority'. Even Yi can't do anything to a Lux with her Snare up every 6s.....
Of course, that only really saves you, and those aren't prime 1v5 champs, so you're probably still fucked overall.....
Bretonnian2 votesIt is legitimately hard to play Yi or Trynd into a CC heavy comp. You can easily draft a team where everyone on your team has a form of cc. If you chain cc this champions THEY ARE useless. Sona ult a full hp yi, ahri charm, combo blam thats a dead guy.
5050BS5 votesThis is why you dont ever see them in High ELO/Worlds. High ELO will ALWAYS have a good amount of hard CC.
Low ELO you can have a team with NO CC.
gabetheguy2 voteswrong. some champs are vastly more vulnerable to cc because of their squishyness. I wouldn't expect you to understand such a concept though.
