I'll go ahead and say it, FUCK RNG IN A COMPETITIVE ONLINE GAME.

XD

Drags, at least IMO, aren't a bad example of this, as while they are RNG, players on both teams will see what drag it is going to be and will be able to fight over it. So while it is RNG, all players have agency over whether or not they can go for the drag.

The other RNG cases are horrible examples of implementing RNG, because neither player gets agency over what comes up. Neither Tryn nor his target know whether he will crit, or if he will crit 1/2/3 times in a row at level 2-3. Zoe doesnt know what summoner spell she will pick up from a minion. Klepto users don't know what item they will get from a klepto proc

So in those examples, RNG is bad because no player, even the player who the RNG originates from, doesn't have agency over what RNG will effect

Thats because Dota 2 has much more baseline depth in the game than League. Dota 2 has:

• Day/Night Cycle
• Differing Levels of Terrain
• Destructible Terrain (Trees)
• Courier
• Buyback
• Bounty and River Runes
• Side Shops and Secret Shops
• Much different jungle mechanics as well as all its stuff (ex.: stacking)
• Shrines
• Turn Rate (this helps balance melee vs ranged combat a butt ton btw, surprised League doesnt have it)

Theres just so many more baseline things you gotta learn and take advantage of in Dota 2.

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xx5O2du9,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-11-16T02:36:40.202+0000)

dota2 has far more (real) rng than LoL ever did and it's got way more competitive value than LoL does

Gameplay is more strategic in dota2... The map in lol is very small and is easy to see who will win like 10 min. in. Btw, I don't see DOTA as that better, bounties are way bigger and there are buyback buttons. Lol is less forgiving.

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xx5O2du9,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-11-16T02:36:40.202+0000)

dota2 has far more (real) rng than LoL ever did and it's got way more competitive value than LoL does

Dirty truth is that RNG often helps. Hell, DOTA even has competitive RNG picking because (last I checked anyways) you can random a character and get bonus gold to start with. While not common, it can throw a team for a loop positively or negatively. RNG, when done well (such as Drakes) changes how you play and cause deeper strategic gameplay.

Problem is people don't want an actually strategically minded game where you have to think on your feet and adjust your strategy. They want an "I win" macro they can spam until the enemy nexus falls. Do X Y Z. Perform A B C. If Successful Win. If Not Successful lose.

The free crit chance is precisely what makes him RNG. Fighting him early could lead to you being crit three times in a row out of nowhere and suddenly you have to give up the lane simply because you got unlucky and he got lucky and you're missing quite a lot of HP.

With marksmen it's been toned down since a lot of them end up with 100% crit by the end of a game and Stormrazor guarantees a crit.

Its a pain to fight him early...you simply dont know if you win or lose..you might jump on him and get insta critted...well there goes 1/4 of your hp...

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while the rest is true there is no rng to trnd other than crit chance and in that case you have to include most all champs who build crit

Crit IS RNG.

And yes, Crit fucking sucks.

Crit is the reason why we have Stormrazor and True Damage on Infinity Edge.

And everyone just loves Stormrazor and True Damage, don't they?

Plants and scuttle are actually not rng, they have spawn times and respawn times.

That by definition cannot be a randomly generated number

[{quoted}](name=Douglas Funnie,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Xx5O2du9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-11-15T21:37:33.374+0000)

Don't forget

Plants Scuttle

They aren't random

Random crits aren't enabled in competitive last I checked, only casual games.