anyone who disagrees probably likes a full tank doing massive damage to tanks and squishes alike with a perm slow, devours, stuns and a full HP shield.
Also as others have mentioned most people that think he is not broken have not played against him in top/jungle
Jefftiffy22 votesThis is why you don't keep adding synergy to a kit and buffing numbers and then release an update that helps them out even more by giving them the items they needed. Riot needs to consolidate their balance team or something because messages seem to not be conveyed to everyone and it keeps throwing this game out of whack.
Everyone on the balance team should know what the other are doing so we don't have these problems anymore.
SwapShadows18 votesThis is why you don't keep adding synergy to a kit and buffing numbers and then release an update that helps them out even more by giving them the items they needed. Riot needs to consolidate their balance team or something because messages seem to not be conveyed to everyone and it keeps throwing this game out of whack.
Everyone on the balance team should know what the other are doing so we don't have these problems anymore.
I'd like if the balance team could stop adding %hp damage to any kits, it's broken due to how hard tanks can abuse it.
dangopee5 votesI'd like if the balance team could stop adding %hp damage to any kits, it's broken due to how hard tanks can abuse it.
Yep. % max hp damage hurts squishes more than it hurts tanks. All champions have 100 percentage points of health. Squishies have low resists.
SwapShadows13 votesYep. % max hp damage hurts squishes more than it hurts tanks. All champions have 100 percentage points of health. Squishies have low resists.
and it makes bad play go unpunished since your damage will always be high no matter how behind you are.
Josheheh2 votesI thought you were talking about stuff like braum's q that scales off his max hp ;-; I was like ...but thats not op!
Adrian Umbra11 votes"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is terrible logic. Yes, you're going to try to twist this around on me, but seriously. What perma slow? The one that's like Mundo's, only on a longer cooldown and gated by mana costs? The stun that requires him to hit a target three times, then hit his skillshot? The devour that requires likewise plus that he sticks to his target?
He's got wonderful strengths. But he's also got weaknesses and his strengths are incredibly gated, which is the main reason why you haven't been seeing him much before World's (that and the itemization changes hitting only shortly before). If he's proving to be an issue (and Riot appears to be taking note of him), then he'll likely be nerfed and we can continue to watch the same picks again and again. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
SwapShadows5 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Umbra,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vbarAMto,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-10-09T01:14:50.513+0000)
"Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong" is terrible logic. Yes, you're going to try to twist this around on me, but seriously. What perma slow? The one that's like Mundo's, only on a longer cooldown and gated by mana costs? The stun that requires him to hit a target three times, then hit his skillshot? The devour that requires likewise plus that he sticks to his target?
He's got wonderful strengths. But he's also got weaknesses and his strengths are incredibly gated, which is the main reason why you haven't been seeing him much before World's (that and the itemization changes hitting only shortly before). If he's proving to be an issue (and Riot appears to be taking note of him), then he'll likely be nerfed and we can continue to watch the same picks again and again. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
Didn't really say they were wrong, just saying that if you support cancer kits then by all means do it.
Adrian Umbra4 votesStill making generalized statements about whoever opposes you. Generally the debate tactic of someone fueling a circle jerk. Exactly what this is, but still. Based on Riot's previous balance strategies, Tahm is going to be lined up for substantial nerfs after Worlds followed by a reversal of the circlejerk that now states Tahm was weak before and now Riot needs to buff him. Happened before, it'll happen again.
Slamurai Jack11 votesI don't really disagree, but enough with listing what a champ does to try and make them sound OP. That argument literally only works on people who already agree with you.
Starfish H13 votesIt's one of the worst arguments ever. IE: Champ has a skill that shreds through 20% of armor as well as make you deal 15% reduced damage in ALL. He has a shield that allows him to slow and scales with mana. He has a point and click ability that is longer than Wukong's staff. His ults gives him bonus armor and MR while making squishies stuck in a 1v4. Who is this? Urgot.
Who also has high mana costs, lowest AA range, gets stuck in a 1v4 situation in exchange for a squishy while he is a ranged champ, and has to be tank even though he scales with AD.
If you lost out the positives only you get a really strong champ and if you list the negatives alone you get a really weak champ.
Tahm is on the same boat. He has all that is listed above WITH, weaknesses. He has a shield that works based on the health he is missing, meaning to use it to its most effect you use it when your low which makes you weak to burst, he has to build mostly health to use his kit effectively which in return makes him weak to BoRK and Vayne, his ult has too much of a wind up and is only used for traveling through maps, he has to get close to apply his stacks and his Q can leave him vulnerable meaning he's a great target for ranged champs, and he W's to save his ally but effectively removes 2 champs from a fight because he has to carry the ADC to safety.
He has weaknesses as well not just strengths.
Sozan55 votesBullshit.
Urgot's passive doesn't shred through armor (it's his E) nor does it reduce true damage (including ignite), since no damage reduction works on true damage.
So that's just a lie, rather than his actual strength.
Starfish H1 votesI miss worded it. I meant his E which I will change soon and I didn't realized that his passive did not reduce true damage I think I confused it with another champ or something.
Auz the Ripper1 votesIt did reduce true damage a long time ago but Riot decided "No", and stopped it
Sozan51 votesRiot didn't decide "No". It was a bug:
Fixed a bug where it was reducing true damage.
It was never supposed to decrease that in the first place (also, the bug was fixed 2 patches after release or so).
Auz the Ripper1 votesRiot did consciousLy decide to remove it, or say "No" Just as they have consciously integrated other bugs such as ward jumping and animation canceling
Puppet33r9 votesI don't think he is a problem in jungle. His top lane can be really oppressive especially for melee offtanks like 
but the real problem is when support outdamages carries while building tons of hp. His only weak side is that it is really easy to devour wrong target in chaotic teamfights...There has been so many times when I tried to devour enemy offtank and ended up eating our frontliner.
Madra7 votesHow big can their balance team really be? Changes don't happen that fast unless Janna or Kayle are being played professionally.
dangopee6 votesI just watched Koearn (Faker) play top lane tahm and shit on this Gnar. Shit was so cheesy.
SwapShadows9 votesI just watched Koearn (Faker) play top lane tahm and shit on this Gnar. Shit was so cheesy.
he shits on literally any tank with no counterplay due to his %hp damage
Raid Boss Morde30 votesActually, if you build Magic Resist, it reduces the damage you take from Devour, and pretty much ALL of Tahm's damage.
Only Play Darius35 votesShhhh, keep your head down
This is a circle jerk thread, you can't use logic here
People reading this are too enraged to listen to reasoning
Do you want to get burned at the stake?
Raid Boss Morde7 votesIt's quite sad, honestly.... it's sad AND hilarious how correct you are. They won't listen to reason... they just want to say OP.
I'm not saying Tahm doesn't need nerfs, because I find his W's CD to be a little too low, and his Q damage and R passive damage to be too high.
GlockHammer1 votes"I'm not saying Tahm doesn't need nerfs" "They just wanna say OP"
How's it gonna be?
Raid Boss Morde1 votesI'm not saying he's OP. What I am saying is that his W CD, Q damage, and R damage should get some slight adjustments. That's about it... I think he's in a fine spot right now, but after playing so many matches with him (just got him mastered), I feel as if those are the only things that need adjustments.
HOWEVER, I do feel as if he needs a good QOL buff. They really need to make it so his Devour prioritizes enemy champions when they have full stacks... I've had so many times where the jungler and I are fighting someone, and I'm about to eat them, but instead of eating the enemy, it makes me eat my ally who was right on top of them.
Ulquiorra9951 votesIs Tahm on the strong side because of few rounds of unneccesarry buffs? Yes. Could he stand to get a few nerfs. Hell yeah.
But it's sad that as soon as he hit worlds sheep are all like "OMG Tahm is broken" and doing the usual drill of just listing the champion's strenghts with none of his weaknesses like weak laning phase and having to get 3 melee hits in order to get to use his most powerful ability without being mobile. He's not broken, just a bit overtuned.
ShaftyMegee1 votesI listened though :(... or read... idk.
Though people will always be sheeple
Pomax powa 4232 votesOr maybe because 1000 damage with 2 spells at lvl 10 his too much ? Or at least too much if you're not a full ap feed veigar (Considering the magic resist). The only difference with you and veigar is that you have a tp, heavy damage on AA, lockdown, slow, stun, 2s destroying a target, aoe, a shield that completely shield you, good sustain ... .
While veigar is squishy, he may zone you but stunning is only if you play really bad.
And you're lucky that I take your reply seriously since you are low ranked (let's not say your rank... ) and you barely understands the game
Only Play Darius1 votesYou were making a fair point until your argument came to the requisite rank-bashing (just FYI, I haven't played ranked in months and my normals MMR mostly puts me against golds and plats, not trying to explain my rank just thought to let you know not to make dumb assumptions).
Had to disregard everything you said just because that final paragraph contaminated the rest of your post. Keep it classy friend.
Pomax powa 4232 votesI'm just saying you aren't playing as competitive as other. As you can see in LCS and in Worlds, the champions picks are really important, way more than in SoloQ. In fact, the higher you go, the higher the champions is important. I didn't mean to say you were wrong because you're bronze, I mean to say you don't give as much importance in the champions as higher rank. Sorry if you take it bad, didn't mean to insult you.
SaltyKracka6 votesIt doesn't help that laning against him is basically a stat check (Can I make him pop shield in this trade Y/N?) and that he gets tons of damage for building tank items (you know, the very thing that got Olaf Olaf'd)
Axis the Dragon2 votesYou'd think they wouldn't want to repeat the old Meta Golem Olaf, but nooooo
Now you have Meatwall Tahm Kench who also happens to be a walking battering ram
Isn't Sion the bulldozer enough (not saying he's guilty right now, but, prior to his nerfs, his damage was really high after his rework)
WinBoat4 votesI been saying Tahm Kench is pretty balance, but after seeing him jungle.... he's almost fucking unkillable while doing good damage lol! It's crazy.
Krys Star3 votesEvery single time he was buffed baffled me, because Riot religiously preached they want to avoid buffing/nerfing champions until a two or three patches have passed. In this case, they buffed him in nearly every patch after and didn't wait to see how the changes settled in. They just kept on buffing him, not realizing players just haven't figured what position and build were best for him.
As usual, Riot contradicts themselves heavily. Every buff, I complained to my friends were not necessary because you can just read his kit and see how powerful it is.
ZzEslIolZQ3 votesWhat? A champ that takes no damage and does like 50% of your HP with one ability OP? Say it ain't so.
Lugg2 votesHe's been broken support for a really long time.
Only Play Darius3 votesSupport he's useless.
Its jungle tahm that's broken as shit and will ruin your day.
Keevalroy2 votesTahm isn't broken. There's a difference between being broken and being overpowered. Tahm is very overpowered and needs his numbers adjusted, particularly on his W.
RISE Shlack1232 votesYeah. The difference between OP and Broken would be the difference between Tahm and Morde. Tahm can be tuned and adjusted. Morde can't be balanced with his reworked kit - it'll have to be overhauled again.
TerminatusOmega2 votesevery time i go against one, its always him being the biggest problem to fight against. full tank and a crap ton of damage
O Fallen Scholar2 votesanyone who disagrees probably likes a full tank doing massive damage to tanks and squishes alike with a perm slow, devours, stuns and a full HP shield.
Also as others have mentioned most people that think he is not broken have not played against him in top/jungle
He was always broken. People just weren't triggered enough.
SpecterVonBaren2 votes"People are starting to hear about Tahm doing well in LCS, better spam nerf threads."
Subject 52 votesTahm has a lot of counterplay and counter picks. Knock backs, slows espically and roots. Slows are the most important honestly, every other champion likely has a slow and it puts Tahm in a position to not be as effective. He is not mobile aside from his ultimate, and he is very easily peeled off. In my opinion, the only thing that should change is that his W should be used more as a containment procedure instead of damage. Lower the cooldown, take away MOST of the damage and rinse and repeat. It would stop that Nasus from just walking up on your adc like he is the pimp.
For Carthage2 votesTahm's an almost unparalleled duelist innately (only really matched by Vayne, Fiora, and Gangplank [who generally slaughters any tanks in duels]).
He is a near garbage tier teamfighter and relies heavily on either uncoordinated play on the enemy's part or on catches (which is what he specializes in).
He's not broken. You just haven't figured out what to do yet because .0dick of the community has played him up until now.
Aboylova921 votesStop with your logic!
For Carthage1 votesFIGHT THE SYSTEM. IT'S THE ONLY WAY!
Blu Avenger2 votesTahm Kench
Pros • Very good health • OP shield • Good Utility (tp and devour team mates) • Good single target cc • Good in multiple roles • High late game damage with tanky stats
Cons • Melee • Poor Mobilty • Very reliant on Q • Weak laning phase • Mana hungry early • Needs amazing coordination in teams fights to be effective, otherwise just a meat shield • low movement speed
So your telling me with all those Cons Tahm Kench is broken?? And im sure I missed some out.
ModAttysu The Poro2 votesI'd take Tahm Kench over a Darius/Garen/Riven/Vayne/Fiora anyday.
GIVE ME THE TOPHATS RITO.
JimmyNutrin691 votesis everyone forgetting that tahm gets rekt by vayne. and also if he does alot of damage that means he is building more health than resistances so bork will eat right through him, like any % health does. and he has no mixed damage either so its easy to itemize against him and to kite him
Lovelle1 votesI've watched this champion kill everyone from ADCs to duelists like Yi and Jax with just an RoA. His grey health just makes him so difficult to kill and his base damage is high.
