The reason why Darius in worlds doesn't equate to Darius in solo Q

SwapShadows·Oct 3, 2015·78 votes·5,537 views

worlds: 5 pro level players strategizing to counter him

solo q: 1-2 average players strategizing to counter him (sometimes it's 0 players trying to counter him)

76 Comments

Prospector PeteOct 3, 201532 votes

Plus in worlds, people actually know how to play against him.

OrangesilkOct 4, 201514 votes

And then he scored an un-fed pentakill against FNC .-.

junglerboy16Oct 4, 20151 votes

I must have missed that, which match was that?

OrangesilkOct 4, 20152 votes

C9 vs FNC like 5 minutes ago xD.

C9 was behind, but a ridiculous Darius teamfight into a pentakill won them the game.

junglerboy16Oct 4, 20151 votes

that explains it, I don't usually watch it live, I just catch the VoDs when I have time.

Jason the otherOct 4, 20152 votes

YA C9>FANATIC

BooleansOct 4, 20153 votes

In C9s defense they always had that penta potential, they just couldnt win fights because fnc kept sneaky and balls from getting into good positions. Then the last fight C9 outplayed fnc and managed to get balls into their faces, causing fnc to ignore sneaky to deal with balls.

doombotMECHAOct 5, 20151 votes

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Then the last fight C9 outplayed fnc and managed to get balls into their faces, causing fnc to ignore sneaky to deal with balls.

i feel like balls chose his username and role specifically to make people say that last sentence

SmithneyOct 5, 20151 votes

Because there are people who know how to play with him as well.

Drunk TsundereOct 3, 201524 votes

That TSM OG game showcased Darius's weaknesses. TSM picked Darius, and OG instantly responded with Kalista, Lulu, and Anivia, 3 heavy kite champions.

DediguiseOct 4, 201517 votes

Additionally TSM did not build around darius. A Sivir or lulu would have helped a lot

HighH1Oct 4, 20154 votes

Well you can't exactly pick Lulu to help if they picked Lulu to screw your darius up

PartholonianOct 5, 20151 votes

Why is it that Lulu is considered must pick or ban for her speedup and slow as or against Darius, but nobody but Lemon is willing to touch Karma?

SwapShadowsOct 5, 20152 votes

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Why is it that Lulu is considered must pick or ban for her speedup and slow as or against Darius, but nobody but Lemon is willing to touch Karma?

lulu can do what karma does with the shield,utility and damage but she also gives hard peel, decent CC and has an amazing teamfighting ultimate.

If anything Karma is a weaker version of lulu while also being harder to play properly

SlytherinUmbreonOct 3, 20159 votes

That and the fact that he always gets first picked, counter picked Gnar Gnar Gnar , played against Fiora, and/or also has to deal with the resource shutdown top laners get from lane swaps. Oh, and taking ignite isn't an option. Unless you want to drop flash. Not saying your entirely wrong, but... Competitive play is completely different from Solo que, especially top and Jungle. There's way more then just 1 thing affecting this.

GigahappytownOct 4, 20151 votes

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That and the fact that he always gets first picked, counter picked, played against Fiora, and/or also has to deal with the resource shutdown top laners get from lane swaps. Oh, and taking ignite isn't an option. Unless you want to drop flash. Not saying your entirely wrong, but... Competitive play is completely different from Solo que, especially top and Jungle. There's way more then just 1 thing affecting this.

>gnar >counterpick what? THe only thing gnar has going for him is his hop ability rest of his kit including mega gnar gets dumpstered.

SlytherinUmbreonOct 4, 20151 votes

the range advantage matters a lot, and Gnar is just one of the best ranged top laners to play in Competetive. (because he's an early game Anti-melee lane bully and a late game tank-bruiser.) Not only can he poke Darius down enough to interrupt Darius's farming, the fact that his range stops Darius from axing him also stops Darius from getting the heal. Darius's early game strengths negated, and his late game strengths weakened by gold/xp/item denial. I just saw a Kennen picked into Darius too.

EllphiOct 4, 20158 votes

I don't understand why the Boards generally claim it's not OK for Darius to have a simple yet punishing Kit as a low mobility low CC and easily counter-able and relatively squishy MELEE, but it's totally fine for champs like Veigar or Annie to completely take a dump on players who fail to 'counterplay' them

IcyPepperOct 4, 201511 votes

Veigar perhaps, but the boards doesn't seem to like Annie's playstyle too much :P

Remlap1223Oct 4, 20151 votes

Oh no, people here are whining about Veigar now too.

I don't hate Veigar, but Annie's stun and ult are toxic.

IcyPepperOct 4, 20152 votes

Annie's kit is a bit old, if you ask me.

I'd honestly be interested in what kind of rework she would get, but that would likely take years at this point if you consider how long Poppy is taking.

AuryielOct 4, 20152 votes

Major difference between Darius and Veigar being if one screws up, he explodes instantly while the other most certainly does not.

Big LincolnOct 4, 20151 votes

Major difference between Darius and Veigar is that one of them has infinite AP gains and long range nukes with insane burst and boastful sustained damage, while the other most certainly does not

The other has a much weaker form of CC and is required to stay in extended fights to contribute anything at all, while being confined to his immediate area to do damage

they're different champions, you have to consider everything

AuryielOct 4, 20154 votes

I was merely trying to explain how people hate Darius so much more than they hate Veigar

Veigar is always squishy as fuck and can be deleted as easily as he deletes you. That makes people feel like they can do something against him, whereas Darius' main form of counterplay, kiting, is much more boring, tedious, long to execute, easier to screw up and is not even accessible to a large part of the cast

Slamurai JackOct 4, 20155 votes

The boards hate melee champions. We all know this. They will bash a melee champion endlessly but defend a ranged champion with similar qualities.

Uva9x6gDhCOct 4, 20158 votes

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The boards hate melee champions. We all know this. They will bash a melee champion endlessly but defend a ranged champion with similar qualities.

Riven

Slamurai JackOct 4, 20157 votes

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Wow, Riven deleted me with no counterplay! Rito gut pls. Meanwhile Annie Malzahar .

MAGA MAN X 2020Oct 4, 20152 votes

QSS/Banshees/Maw?

Slamurai JackOct 4, 20155 votes

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QSS/Banshees/Maw?

Lemme just rush any of those items as a mage. Oh wait, now I don't do any damage. Point is, there really is no solid counterbuild option available for laning against an Annie unless you're one of the mages that can miraculously afford to build Abyssal first item. And even that won't save you as the game goes on. All of those items are great counterbuild options later on in the game but you can very rarely afford to rush them.

WakamuneOct 4, 20151 votes

I sometimes pick cleanse against Annie. You be suprised hwo many kills she got denied.

darkmatchwaldoOct 4, 20151 votes

summoner 1

SpecterVonBarenOct 4, 20152 votes

No, I hate wanting to play a melee champion and not being able to because "Oh look, the enemy picked Darius.... so.... much.... FUN!"

Slamurai JackOct 4, 20153 votes

If you think Darius autowins against every melee champion, you just need to get better at this game. Jax Rumble Aatrox Gangplank Riven JarvanIV all strong melee champions against Darius.

KatCraftOct 4, 20156 votes

Rumble yes, GP yes, Riven yes, Jax no, Jarvan no, Aatrox gets completely dumpstered on.

Chromatic EagleOct 4, 20151 votes

People complain forever about Kalista and Ahri though.

Slamurai JackOct 4, 20155 votes

Darius isn't that great in solo q either.

Dunkrius2gOct 4, 20158 votes

Because he is banned all the time!

http://i.imgur.com/0PfMfYb.gif

Chespin2013Oct 4, 20154 votes

Plus Teams were more or less blind picking Darius every time he was up, making it easy for teams to fight around him. He can be incredibly easy play around since people pro play actually use communication while people in soloq communication is like a bunch of headless chickens running around trying to figure out what to do.

BrascusOct 3, 20153 votes

Countering by not running into his Q lol

Shro0mieOct 4, 20156 votes

Except you actually counter by running INTO his Q.

gubigubiOct 4, 20152 votes

The main reason is in pro play the teams who have picked him half the time have not been giving Darius gold because half the time they are lane swapping so Darius strength as a massive lane bully isn't fully used. While in SoloQ the lane phase is much more important and you will always be in a 1v1 match up.

The other reason is pro teams first pick Darius and the enemy picks champions like Gnar and Lulu who can deal with Darius in lane.

WoopyDOct 4, 20152 votes

penta / end thread

Orange CaramelOct 4, 20152 votes

darius penta

"balanced"

Wînter FoxOct 4, 20152 votes

If you need 5 pros to strategize against him that makes him a raid boss.

SlytherinUmbreonOct 4, 20151 votes

lol, I didn't even think about this. That setup really is a lot like a lot of MMOs XD

Only Play DariusOct 4, 20151 votes

Because the best ADC players in the world know how to kite and render him useless.

SwapShadowsOct 4, 20152 votes

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Because the best ADC players in the world know how to kite and render him useless.

tbh they rely heavily on their teamcomps for peel as well so they cant do it alone

Only Play DariusOct 4, 20151 votes

Late game Vayne Kalista 1v1 vs Darius can permanently keep him at a safe distance and lifesteal through any damage he actually does get off since he prioritizes health over resistances.