I definitely didn't like it when sona was dealing almost half my HP as a support with almost no brain-power involved.
If you're going to ask for buffs then let it be utility buffs not damage buffs.....
Jamaree53 votesYou mean just like the Lux buffs?
RedCyclone36 votesCornered as our viable build is FULL AP as a support
that's the main problem, it's not the buffs we want, it's changes in general But apparently we can't voice those changes because whenever we do, people see Sona in the title and instantly downvote it
Full support Sona is literally a template for items, the only impact you have outside of your items is Crescendo
Voluug1334 votesThe real question is why did your support let Sona combo you without punishing her weak ass? She is the game's squishiest champion.
That Murphys Law3 votesMaybe because after one use of her heal she has more effective hp than most supports and already has a higher base armor than most range supports (ex: Janna, Annie, Zilean, Zyra, Lulu, Karma, Nami, etc.)
Is she squishy? Somewhat but not that squishy by ranged standards.
Squishiest? Even if you ignore her heal she's not even bottom 10.
Hellioning27 votesYeah, that 30 heal and 35 shield really are overpowering.
Even if she was at 1% health, for maximum healing, that would still only be a 45 health heal.
Nami's heal is just 65, with a higher ap ratio. Plus, Nami can max W first; Sona can't.
fattyhotdogs1 votesWhy would sona use heal AFTER taking damage? Anyone with any sense will use the shield just as effectively as the heal.
Hellioning10 votesOkay, so at maximum, it's 45+.3 healing if she manages to heal at 1 hp and 35+.2shielding, for a total of 80+.5ap.
Nami's heal, at rank one, is 65+.3. And again; Nami can max W first. Sona can't; she's dealing with that 80+.5 for a long time, while all Nami has to do is hit 3/4.
only zhule14 votesWhy would sona use heal AFTER taking damage? Anyone with any sense will use the shield just as effectively as the heal.
Yeah that 1.5 second shield with a 350 cast range, 10 second base cooldown, and only happens if you are within the cast range within 2 seconds of cast.
Ulquiorra99534 votesOnly thing she has going for her is chunking people (and that is because Riot overnerfed her to the point that ONLY viable way to play her is through artificial scaling provided by LB and Ludens), and even then it is not as braindead as Sona haters would like you to think - getting into AA range as squishiest, most defenseless champion in this game without getting blown up requires more skill IMO than most of the champions that rely on skillshots but have lots of failsafe options built in.
And we just want her abilities to feel impactful. E is the single worst ability in game to level up. W is absolute crap until you put levels into it AND get some AP - which means Sona feels like the ultimate 1 trick-pony until midgame with only Q and R making a visible impact.
Oh, and way Riot handles Sona is just adding insult to injury. Plain and simple.
Athenes Lulu26 votesIf it's Sona rework, then that's okay. If it's Sona BUFFS, then no, please don't make it Lux or Veigar all over again.
I cringe just as hard whenever an unpopular opinion thread that is backed up by reasoning, logic, and experience gets downvoted to oblivion.
Jamaree28 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d7w5KOi9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-11-02T00:49:42.396+0000)
If it's Sona rework, then that's okay. If it's Sona BUFFS, then no, please don't make it Lux or Veigar all over again.
I cringe just as hard whenever an unpopular opinion thread that is backed up by reasoning, logic, and experience gets downvoted to oblivion.
Because this community doesn't want balance, nor look things through. They want things currently strong gutted, and things currently weak buffed out the ass then act like neither was asked for after the fact...every...single...time.
Athenes Lulu12 votesMore like anything that destroys them, they will QQ the fuck out of it.
If they never see them, then they will advocate for more buffs. Let's see who's gonna bring up Swain, Anivia, Brand, or even Malzahar buffs because they are unpopular YET solid picks.
Jamaree14 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancerous Lulu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d7w5KOi9,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-11-02T01:13:36.016+0000)
More like anything that destroys them, they will QQ the fuck out of it.
If they never see them, then they will advocate for more buffs. Let's see who's gonna bring up Swain, Anivia, Brand, or even Malzahar buffs because they are unpopular YET solid picks.
What are you talking about, pros don't play them every game, must mean they are weak and need buffs, no exceptions, we aren't sheep, baaaaah.
Shadow Gilgamesh21 votesIf any buffs happen, they should be on her E. That fuckin 1% movement speed increase for ranks 2-5 is a fucking disgrace. Or buffs to power chords, since it's the only thing in her kit that requires two braincells to rub together in order to use.
only zhule7 votes[{quoted}](name=Shadow Gilgamesh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d7w5KOi9,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-02T00:44:53.592+0000)
If any buffs happen, they should be on her E. That fuckin 1% movement speed increase for ranks 2-5 is a fucking disgrace. Or buffs to power chords, since it's the only thing in her kit that requires two braincells to rub together in order to use.
You forget that the trade off for auto target spells is lack of choice on who they target. Can't chunk the enemy ADC as well when they are behind 2 tanky champs. Fail to save your ADC because another champion has lower % health. E's movement speed bonus decaying on sona do to her auras' bonus (usually not enough to out run a champion)
Ratbert20 votesMost people ask for w or leveling e buffs simply because they suck, not q buffs.
On paper and in practice her w is terrible and her e is good for ferrying people.
EDIT: Actually I cringe harder when people complain about a 40+40/lvl damage spell with a 0.5 damage ratio as her only damaging spell and cite it's 850 range (ie two steps out of cait's range) as oppressive but fail to realize 3/4 of her damage is shoved into a 550 range auto.
I bet they didn't realize zilean had a 0.9 ratio + massive base on a spell just as easy to hit for years.
Bronzoid16 votesI agree, let's only allow Thresh in the bot lane
Hellioning15 votesAnd I don't like it when a Thresh or Blitz hooks me and I have to flash or die.
Let champions be powerful, please.
Subject 515 votesPeople that don't want to deal with sona: "Her Q does literally half my HP bar!"
People that actually play Sona: "My Q does absolutely no damage even with AP items now! It is my Auto attack that is empowered that does all the damage, that can actually be countered by nearly every support if they catch me using it!"
TNHA Baritone11 votesLike, the ACTUAL Q does 40 Magic Dmg at lvl 1.
Red Ryu5 votesLike, the ACTUAL Q does 40 Magic Dmg at lvl 1.
If we ignore a potential Q power cord, the other part that adds more magic damage plus to her teammates, then yeah you are right, but that actually isn't true.
I know some Sona mains want to harp about only 40 base damage on her Q, but they forget she has a power cord, which you charged at fountain for free, and the aura part of her Q does damage and gives it to her allies as well.
She potentially can do, 50[auto attack]+((13+(20% AP)*40%)[powercord] + (40+50% AP)[Hymn of Valor] + (20+20%AP)[Hymn of Valor aura]+10[spellthief's edge]
Without AP that is 50+18.2+40+20+10=138.2 at level 1 without AP or considering masteries, like the new ones coming soon.
Her damage isn't her issue right now either way.
Potentially mana, and her base stats with some utility are the issues right now. Not her Q damage, that honestly is fine in her kit.
Hinagiku339 votesAnd then you realize that all of that is also all of the damage in Sona's kit...
...on a champion with very little utility that also needs a good amount of AP to be worth a damn.
If you play Sona. then you hate damage nerfs because that poke is all Sona has left outside her ult. Give her some damn utility and you won't see any many complaints about damage nerfs making her unplayable.
Excitidly Insane13 votesY'all complain about Sona half healthing you but no one knows about 
doing the same thing but can actually hit both you and your partner for a good chunk at level 1, if not more than a Sona Q Auto.
Jamaree4 votes[{quoted}](name=Excitidly Insane,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d7w5KOi9,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-11-02T01:33:11.627+0000)
Y'all complain about Sona half healthing you but no one knows about
But at least it is an avoidable skillshot rather then a long range auto targetting ability and AA.
Hellioning13 votesHymn of Valor is well within range of every support engage ability.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesThe Hymn might not be due to minions being potentially in the way but the auto power cord definitely is since she has to move up suuuuuuuper far to try to poke any ADC that will more likely than not out range her.
Hellioning2 votesNope. I mean, yes, your point is right, but Hymn is only 800; even Zenith Blade, the shortest ranged engage ability on a support I could find, is 825. It'd obviously take some timing, but you could definitely E on reaction to Sona Q. Everything else is even longer (though most of them do get blocked by minions, yeah.)
My Waifu Vanilla8 votesHymn is also almost ignorable damage on its own. If she wants to just Hymn you and back off you can let her go right ahead and drain her mana pool to no end. If Sona wants to constantly poke with Q and not auto then I will simply heal it back with a health pot every 3rd time she does it or so or just auto attack and heal it back with my Doran's blade lifesteal. She has to enter her 550 Auto Attack range in order to do meaningful damage which will easily throw her into Leona E range while still giving her very few options in terms of where to go to dodge it (can't run backwards since she still has 275 range to travel and the lanes are fairly narrow in where she can run sideways with her fairly large hitbox).
Ulquiorra9959 votesLong range auto-targeting ability tickles you. And AA puts her within range of every hard CC and/or engage ability from which she has little to no ways of escaping.
Excitidly Insane9 votesWelp, I see the telegraphed Q > AA coming it's not hard to land an R > Q.
Borbland12 votes"no brain power involved"
I kinda have to disagree, you need to know your Q range perfectly since, too far you cast on nothing or on creeps and either push lane or waste mana.
Too near, the enemy will AA you and remove 1/2 of your hp, due to Sona being extremly squichy.
She needs extremly good positioning to be effective, the spells themselves are easy, but people judge too much on them :/
MorganKaines6 votesExactly. Something I try saying too.
Her abilities look like button mashing material, but if you don't do positioning very well then you are going to die without getting one good punch in. And likely your ADC will die too, cause unless you saved up your ult for a disengage that E will likely not save you or him.
Sona isn't as easy to play as some would claim. You have to have good footwork and you need to conserve that mana. And her Q range isn't near as good as some champs. You can't waste spam it either, due to the mana cost, so you got to make sure it counts, preferably hit two enemies in one Q for best gold income.
It's one of those champs people love calling noob champs, but if forced to play her themselves they'd not get near her max potential due to sloppy playing.
TNHA Baritone11 votesThat moment when she has 300 Ap but only 1000 Hp with 0 bonus resistances.
layrit11 votesCurrently Sona has 3 abilities of which only 1 is actually okay. Her Q deals okayish damage but in order to be mana efficient you HAVE TO hit the enemy with your empowered auto as well. If you can't use the AA - Karma/Brand would be much better in the same situation.
Her W costs shitloads of mana while doing nearly nothing. She heals for ~30 and gives a shield of roughly the same strength for 1.5s. This means that it is very hard to use shield proactively (use shield and run at people for a trade) because by the time your opponent retaliates most of the time the shield is already gone and you take full damage to your pretty face.
Her E eats mana and does nothing. Even if you tag 4 other people with it it would still be inferior to ANY other MS buff (Ori's W, Karma's RE).
And to top it off she is squishy as hell, so each time she tries to harass someone with Q-AA she risks dying to just 1-2 skills and an AA from that person alone.
Pika31011 votes
Base AD - 50
Hymn of Valor (Primary Active) - 40
Hymn of Valor (Secondary Active) - 20
Staccato - 18
Spelltheif's Edge - 10*3
Total = 158 Damage
Lowest ADC HP stat in the game = 484 HP
484/2 = 242 HP > 158 Damage
Lowest HP stat in the entire game = 468 HP
468/2 = 234 HP > 158 Damage
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/pika310/Doge%20Meme%202_zpstyytugm4.jpg
LankPants9 votesYou forgot to factor in her level 1 Lichbane, that's part of her kit you know, at least I think it must be because people always whine about Sona's damage but I've never seen a Sona without Lich deal any.
Pika3109 votesDang, you're right! Now I just feel so stupid. How could I have forgotten that she starts the game with Lich Bane in her inventory? Everyone knows this.
http://orig02.deviantart.net/45c2/f/2010/278/f/d/miku___facepalm___sorta__by_meru102-d305ggg.jpg
Thanks for the reminder <3
Hatless Casual11 votesI would love utility buffs on her, but honestly I'm almost tempted to say she may need a redo on a damn near ground up level..... and not done by CertainlyT. (not forgiving you for Mord)
0zymandias I10 votesConsidering sona is like a tier 5 support its not that bad she gets buffed XDDD
manbearswine9 votesDid you really think you are the first person to spew nonsense about something you don't understand in the slightest?
And then people wonder why riot doesn't listen to the feedback going on in here,and fails miserably when they do.
TheXtractor9 votesI want bigger aura's and more consistent aura's. I hate it that my aura's only last for like 3 seconds and everyone basically has to be in melee range to benefit from them.
Photos of Ghosts9 votesWe're ALWAYS asking for utility buffs. We don't like being a Q Bot, we want our auras back. It's like Cass.
only zhule8 votesEven her damage isn't all that impressive past level one. Hard to land the full combo when lost supports are tanky and can punish you so hard. Unless you are making comment about Sona with a couple hundred AP and a lich bane.
It is her utility most sona mains, want buffed. It often only looks half decent because you are rocking 300-600 AP (because you know that never makes other abilities seems god like). Would also be nice if she didn't have to be so close to help her team and/or if her help was more then a "one and done" deal.
Kaipop8 voteswhat a worthless thread. i dont even play sona and whenever sona mains want buffs its utility, not damage..
Darkwind7 votesI feel like people have been asking for the E to gain more MS/point. Right now points after the 1st into the E are basically worthless...
only zhule8 votesI feel like people have been asking for the E to gain more MS/point. Right now points after the 1st into the E are basically worthless...
Hell i'll even be happy if the bonus speed didn't decay on her from listed amount down to aura amount after about .5-1 second. 60 bonus movement speed is ok, 30 doesn't do anything when trying to run someone down or run away from anyone. Even more so because she's in the lowest movement speed group.
Gubaguy6 votesyou know who else is a support who does half your HP in damage?
to name a few... high damage, reletivly low CD. I dont think rito understands what a support shoudl do tbh. heres a hint: NOT, DAMAGE.
chipndip18 votesyou know who else is a support who does half your HP in damage?
to name a few... high damage, reletivly low CD. I dont think rito understands what a support shoudl do tbh. heres a hint: NOT, DAMAGE.
Even Leona can chunk your health tbh. She goes through a full rotation of skills just stunning you.
Gubaguy1 votesyeah, supports shouldnt do high damage, or really any damage. i mean zilean has a 90% AP scaling ratio on a spammable ability that can stun you if he lands 2 in a row, AND if he lands 2 in a row the first one isnt delayed...
Supports should have low or no damage CC, utilities like heals or vision, and high interference for opposing damage in the form of high tank (like braum or taric), NEVER hsould a support be abel to carry a game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1997253941/201402079?tab=overview
Just saying.
LankPants9 votesWhy is a support who's main role is damage a bad thing?
Characters who bring something different from the rest of their role help to make the game feel interesting and the characters unique. Look at Ashe, or characters like Sej and Yi who are polar opposites in the jungle, or any utility mage, these characters do bring something a little different from the bulk standard of their role and they're all fine.
The bulk standard of the support role is basically to be a tanky disrupter, secondarily you have utility mages who have both strong disruption and often other utilities like shields and heals. At the moment Sona isn't either of these things, she's somewhere between Veigar and Lux in terms of play style despite being a support by position, although I don't think that comparison really pays respect to how utterly unique Sona is.
