@Meddler why are you nerfing Syndra ult instead of reverting MYMU changes?

Nausicäa ·Nov 24, 2016·45 votes·2,187 views

The problem isnt her ults base damage, its that the MYMU changes made her 6-7 sphere ults trivially accessible and reduced her overall skill cap. Her ultl has always been balanced around set up time and effort required to achieve high sphere ults, the MYMU threw this out the window. Whats worse is that the MYMU changes were changes simply for the sake of change, did not need to be made and were not even wanted by most Syndra players.

Dont you think its a little backwards to be nerfing something OTHER THAN the changes you made to cause the problem in the first place?

59 Comments

EedatNov 24, 201616 votes

Instructions not clear.....

....Kog is now an AP midlaner

Sraeg2013Nov 24, 20165 votes

Beucase that would mean they're are admitting they were wrong the whole time.

Look at Rylai's. Or Kog'Maw. Or Mordekaiser. Or Karma. Or dozens of other worthless changes.

Little StarshineNov 24, 20161 votes

I miss good old very old Karma! T___T

Sraeg2013Nov 25, 20161 votes

Of all the things, even her initial rework was better than what we have now.

Now it's just... sad.

AkumuNov 24, 20164 votes

SeenanNov 24, 20163 votes

Syndra hardly needs the 7-8 sphere ult. Already bursts hard enough. So I don't bother setting it up most of the time as if I can hit just one combo, that person is probably dead if I don't get cc'd or if they're tanky. Revert the MYMU changes, I didn't like 'em anyway. But nerfing Locket slightly would be nice too, since a 600 shield is ridiculous.

Bishasaurus FlexNov 24, 20162 votes

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Syndra hardly needs the 7-8 sphere ult. Already bursts hard enough. So I don't bother setting it up most of the time as if I can hit just one combo, that person is probably dead if I don't get cc'd or if they're tanky. Revert the MYMU changes, I didn't like 'em anyway. But nerfing Locket slightly would be nice too, since a 600 shield is ridiculous.

Her ult caps at 7 spheres. Derp

MrWasjigNov 24, 20163 votes

Because reverting a change would be admitting they were wrong! (Yes yes SoloQ is back blah blah blah but that shit took a year of people calling them out)

Nausicäa Nov 24, 20161 votes

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Because reverting a change would be admitting they were wrong! (Yes yes SoloQ is back blah blah blah but that shit took a year of people calling them out)

They certainly have a hard time doing that.

softest boyNov 24, 20163 votes

Yes, yes, yes. They cannot admit to anything wrong.

Oh look, we fixed Syndra, who was completely fine before the update! Now we better nerf this brain dead champion, who requires no skill anymore, since she's overperforming after years of being perfectly balanced and never complained about! We are so good at pleasing people! syndra mains cry out in agony in the background

Yes I am tilted

ThefrostyvikingNov 24, 20162 votes

The W change wasn't all they did, they buffed her ap scalings around there too which together with easier max sphere ults made her OP x)

Nausicäa Nov 24, 20162 votes

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The W change wasn't all they did, they buffed her ap scalings around there too which together with easier max sphere ults made her OP x)

Its really only W, the Q ratio increase was to offset the loss of the 15% bonus dmg passive. Setting the ratio to 70% would have made it strictly worse than the old passive because it also increased the base damage and the break even point is too far into the game.

Sraeg2013Nov 24, 20161 votes

Actually in the initial form (before it was buffed on PBE) the break-point of pre- and post-MYMU damage was either around 2000 or 3000 AP.

Now if I remember correctly it breaks even with 575 AP which is basically a full build.

NineTailedMysticNov 24, 20161 votes

Still AP scalings she didn't need.

EROTIC RAID BOSSNov 24, 20162 votes

they probably prefer her gameplay now and don't want a full damage ult to be more difficult to set up

MonkyOfSpaceNov 24, 20161 votes

Because what is healthy about a point and click nuke that does a lot of dmg to squishies and takes 0 skill? It's like tarics point and click stun. Do you actually think that's balanced or?

WimbledofyNov 24, 20165 votes

it's healthy when you have to work for it like you used to.

MiraweaveNov 24, 20161 votes

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it's healthy when you have to work for it like you used to.

It's always been really easy lol.

AkaIihoIicNov 24, 20163 votes

Why don't u play Syndra and get to Challenger?

Regards.

CaptnJakSparrowNov 24, 20162 votes

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Why don't u play Syndra and get to Challenger?

A lot of people are.

AkumuNov 26, 20161 votes

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A lot of people are.

lol.....please such a retarded comment is almost not worth replying to.

All dem ppls getting challenger wit dat 48-49% winrate champ.

CaptnJakSparrowNov 26, 20161 votes

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lol.....please such a retarded comment is almost not worth replying to.

All dem ppls getting challenger wit dat 48-49% winrate champ.

He's the most popular jungler in diamond + currently and he almost always gets fed. So. Yeah. He's also been the most popular jungler since release. To say people aren't getting there with him is an hilarity in itself.

Nausicäa Nov 24, 20165 votes

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It's always been really easy lol.

Oh ya, needing 45% CDR, 6+ seconds and juggling existing spheres with W was so easy. Get a clue before you post your ignorant garbage.

DanjengNov 24, 20161 votes

Is it still hard?

Nausicäa Nov 24, 20163 votes

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Is it still hard?

No, thats the point. It should be hard again instead of nerfing her damage. You can literally get 6-7 sphere ults without trying now.

DanjengNov 24, 20161 votes

Oh ok. I agree. What was like it before? Rarely seen Syndra before MYMU.

Sraeg2013Nov 24, 20161 votes

Before MYMU it was 30%+ CDR, the combo looked like Q1->Q2->W+Q1->Q3->Q4 and then you had a window of like 1-2 seconds - depending on how much CDR past 30% you had - to ult. Should you fail to use the ult, you had to wait until W was back off cooldown and re-do the whole combo from nothing.

Now you press Q three times and then cast W on those three Qs every time are about to expire and finally press Q right before or durning ulting. Thus now the window for a 7-sphere ult is... 115 seconds with Morellonomicon and 220 seconds with Morellonomicon and Seraph's Embrace.

"But that's fine. Let's nerf the damage." ~Riot 2016

kile147Nov 24, 20161 votes

This would also be more in line with their Assassin Update changes. Riot gave assassins more burst potential but increased the setup time to open more counterplay opportunities. Riot doesn't have to revert the MYMU changes... just do an assassin update on Syndra and it would have the same result.

Sraeg2013Nov 25, 20161 votes

Please no.

Merely reverting the W-passive change would fix 90%+ of balance problems with Syndra right.

I don't want my champion made clunky for the sake of "balance". Frankly that's not the way to balance any champion.

Nausicäa Nov 26, 20161 votes

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Please no.

Merely reverting the W-passive change would fix 90%+ of balance problems with Syndra right.

I don't want my champion made clunky for the sake of "balance". Frankly that's not the way to balance any champion.

Nah they obviously just gonna take the lazy we dont give a shit approach. Theres also 8 months from now when they decide to revisit her to actually fix their mistake.

Sraeg2013Nov 26, 20161 votes

to maybe fix their mistake

ftfy

NineTailedMysticNov 24, 20161 votes

Even then the damage on a 4-5 sphere ult was pretty bonkers.

Bishasaurus FlexNov 24, 20161 votes

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Even then the damage on a 4-5 sphere ult was pretty bonkers.

I guess thats what happens when youre ultimate is considered a "targeted nuke". It's meant to execute.

NineTailedMysticNov 24, 20161 votes

If its meant to execute, give it %missing HP damage, not so much flat damage and scaling she can miss all of her abilities but even if two spheres are out for a 5 ball she does minimum 70% hp to a squishy.

l Helios lNov 24, 20161 votes

That's what I've been saying for years when it comes to Darius ult versus Chogath ult. But does anybody listen? Nope.

Cryo00Nov 24, 20161 votes

To be fair, his point and click cc was needed due to all the mobility creep that riot is introducing in the new champions.

AkaIihoIicNov 24, 20164 votes

Braum my shield make her ult useless. Ekko my ult make her ult useless. Fizz my E make her ult useless. Vladimir my pool make her ult useless. Yasuo my shield make her ult useless. Lissandra my ult make her ult useless. Galio my RM/shield make her ult useless. Kayle my ult make her ult useless. Lux Xerath my range make her useless. Zed item 3155 my ult, and being broken make her and her ult useless. item 3026 item 3157 we make her ult useless. Rengar my one-shot make her useless. Malzahar my passive and ult make her useless.

Yep, she or her ult does not have counterplay, right.

Regards.

Backup4nowNov 24, 20162 votes

While not technically incorrect, I doubt people are going to start picking kayle/galio/lissandra/vlad/braum and rushing GA more often just because of a single broken character's ult, when she still has the rest of her kit to back up (dps/poke with q and cc burst without ult make her more than a match for Lissandra, for example. She wouldn't stand a chance against Syndra.)

Sraeg2013Nov 24, 20161 votes

I'd like to point out that Kayle is garbage in lane against Syndra and she fairly highly limits the teamcomp everywhere else.

Most of the rest checks out.

NineTailedMysticNov 24, 20161 votes

Can't Zhonya's if you're stunned.

EndlessSorcererNov 24, 20163 votes

a point and click nuke that does a lot of dmg to squishies and takes 0 skill

You are basically describing an ADC's autoattacks.

Congratulations.

MiraweaveNov 24, 20161 votes

No, the problem is and has always been that her ult does a completely unreasonable amount of damage.

AkaIihoIicNov 24, 20162 votes

Yep, she or her ult does not have counterplay, right.

Regards.

NineTailedMysticNov 24, 20162 votes

Yes, because counterpicking should totally be the solution.

ErdamonNov 24, 20161 votes

Yeah, I'm sorry but...

I make You make He/she/it make**S**

AkaIihoIicNov 26, 20163 votes

My bad, my native language is spanish.

Regards.

Papa SlothyNov 24, 20161 votes

this

RottedApplesNov 25, 20161 votes

changes for the sake of changes? Zyra not even wanted by most of the player base? Zyra Maybe I'm salty about something here but, Zyra I Zyra wonder Zyra who Zyra else Zyra is Zyra like Zyra this. Zyra