ADCs are 'too weak' and Riot is planning buffs.

Nausicäa ·11/29/2018, 4:28:00 AM·227 votes·27,218 views

Oh heres a crazy idea instead of 'buffing underperforming ADCs' how about you FUCKING LOWER THE FUCKING DAMAGE IN THIS GAME. Considering the reason half the ADC roster is shit is because of utterly stupid high levels of burst damage in this game and in order to compete in this stupid fucking meta you need mobility or insane burst.

After promising to look into damage this preseason Riot did absolutely nothing, what a fucking shock. Instead here we go again increasing the damage on underperforming champions to further the damage creep.

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Shmeeve11/29/2018, 4:29:35 AM65 votes

community: Riot, the damage in this game is too high for assassins and some bruisers, tanks and adc's are having a bad time! riot person: what should we do? other riot person: I say we raise the damage for ADC's riot person: what about tanks? other riot person: WE HAVE DARIUS!

Disembark11/29/2018, 5:23:37 AM25 votes

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What damage creep? Seriously. Show me the items/base damages for champions that have been creeped. If anything, almost every heavy hitting item has been nerfed in terms of raw AP/AD in favor of CDR.

Just look at Yommus. 70 AD and 20 flat armour pen and atk speed boost for 55 AD, 18 lethality (realisticallly you don’t get past 13 arm pen). Same goes for not having DFG, flat AP values on most items lowered. Let’s not even mention ADC items which have been nerfed into the ground. Even LW/Black Cleaver are no stronger than in season 3/5 (gold years btw). I guess void staff and deathcap have been objectively power crept (to compensate for lower AP vals - but according to Boards AP is weak btw so I guess that doesn’t matter).

Even for champ kits, discounting reworks and new champions, most champions in plain numbers are weaker than before. Riot has ALWAYS favored nerfing champions over buffing weak ones. In fact, in terms of raw power Leblanc is a fuckton weaker than 2015 Leblanc while still being S+ tier now. You wanna know why? Because everything keeps getting nerfed to the point that she’s still OP. Same for Lucian. Completely butchered compared to 2016 Lucian but still OP bexause of how hard other ADCs were nerfed.

Name me one champion that has a 55% win rate and I’ll name you 5 < 45%. Someone actually disprove me on this. Show me that Riot actually buffs things more than they nerf looking at patches from this whole season. Fact: you can’t, because it isn’t true. They always nerf more.

The only damage creep rn is worse defensive runes, more damage runes, and more specifically conquered, dark harvest and ignite being over tuned. Tank items are also worse. <Removed by Moderation>

Or how about “gold creep”. That’s also a real thing. More gold in the game let’s damage outscale defense faster than before. Or vision denial increase which makes it harder to comeback naturally (and snowballed teams will “feel like” they do more damage).

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Marian Cross11/29/2018, 6:13:27 AM18 votes

I agree with this. We need to stop buffing everything to match and nerf some to bring down

EyesOfTheFox11/29/2018, 3:24:25 PM17 votes

As a marksmen player I get tired of all the non marksmen players telling us to shut up. No marksman player is currently asking for marksman damage buffs. We want scalings that reflect the "no more late game" design the game has taken and build paths that reflect this change in game design that Riot has implemented. Riot wants games to end earlier and have taken steps to ensure that, however, after the 8.11 patch, marksmen can no longer get to late game because they scale too slow (relative to the overall pace of the game) and their items build paths are so convoluted and expensive that we are denied the same advantage as every other class in the game. We also get one shot by everything, there are no good defensive choices that provide damage, like bruisers and mages have. I swear nearly every AP item has health attached to it, why burst mages need a shit ton of health I don't know. If a marksman tries to build defensively, we still get blown up and we are useless because we won't do damage because we went defensive.

Concerning parity in bot lane, Riot wants non marksmen bot but most non marksmen are not late game champions and are known for wave clear, cc, and smashing early, the complete OPPOSITE of how marksmen were designed, this is another reason why the 8.11 patch was toxic. Moving non marksmen to bot lane that were designed to counter marksmen in the first place was not healthy (why do you think marksmen don't play anywhere else on the map (minus three of them), cause we get shit on if we do.

All I ask is to scale with the game (not have the game out scale me), have more efficient build paths that don't delay my item spikes and actually make sense to buy. I don't think we need more damage and if we scaled better and had better buy options, I don't think we would need more defenses either.