Evelynn's new kit looks AMAZING, but also absurdly OP

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·1,260 views

https://youtu.be/ep_U4U6YW4E like you literally gave her EVERYTHING an assassin can ask for.. point and click CC on a gank even if u miss your skillshot

invisibility, that lets your freely roam the jungle or invade.

an ultimate that is an execute and get you OUT of a fight.. easy re-engage with your passive to heal up and deal bonus damage

% max hp vs tanks

burst spikes even if your Q misses.

literally even if she messes up you pretty much still get the kill.

she literally has EVERYTHING an assassin could ever want with the ONLY drawback being you yourself misplaying. which they ALSO give you shit even if you MISS

compare this to another ap assassins like nidalee ( yes I'm using her.. I'm familiar with her)

zero from of cc entire kit, damage and gank reliant on landing one of the hardest to land skillshots in the game, with no form off cc of your own squishy with no reliable form of escape until your FULL pounce reset at lvl 16 (no lowering the cooldown from 6 seconds to 4 seconds is NOT a reset) % hp removed even though it was on an ability that would likely NEVER connect

very transparent kit, you can only pounce in on the target u spear. all damage is lower and no empowered pounce lowered if target is not hunted

evelynn gets EVERY an assassin could want.

WHERE are the drawbacks? unless you the players screws up the play i don't see any downsides to her kit. there are FAR to many "even if you mess up you get out free, and still probably kill them anyways"

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Baron Barian3 votes

Ah yes, the traditional "the new champ/rework is op" trope. People complain about how freakishly overpowered the new guy is, and is practically forgotten the next week.

Durzaka1 votes

Not that I agree with OP, but are we seriously forgetting that Galio happened? And then he was basically pick/ban in the competitive scene until he was nerfed into trash for solo q

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Ah yes, the traditional "the new champ/rework is op" trope. People complain about how freakishly overpowered the new guy is, and is practically forgotten the next week.

i have also seen her on pbe... which _clearly_u haven't. w/e it doesn't matter.. don't say I didn't warn you. but i predict she will have it will be a MINIMUM of 53% winrate 2 weeks after she goes live, if she isn't nerfed/ hotfixed

The Last Ballad1 votes

which _clearly_u haven't.

Put a space between the _ and the u and it will look like

which clearly u haven't.

Lord of Math3 votes

They are supposed to make all the new champions look OP. Her CC pretty much negates her stealth, being as it shows you her general direction. Back up while she approaches and her CC fails. If she goes in for the ult, then use any shield or heal especially then so that you prevent her from getting double damage on you for being low and wastes ult. If she is not in stealth and you dodge her Q she basically cannot proc the charm if you just run away. The outplay potential is there, we just need to get used to it.

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord of Math,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vN3Ga2Z5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-10-10T02:14:33.405+0000)

They are supposed to make all the new champions look OP. Her CC pretty much negates her stealth, being as it shows you her general direction. Back up while she approaches and her CC fails. If she goes in for the ult, then use any shield or heal especially then so that you prevent her from getting double damage on you for being low and wastes ult. If she is not in stealth and you dodge her Q she basically cannot proc the charm if you just run away. The outplay potential is there, we just need to get used to it.

the direction only appears at the very END of the stealth by which time you are already guaranteed to be charmed.. it's basically a Rengar ulti that CC's you. if the indicator was there from the start or even after 1 second. you would have time to respond. but was it is not its pretty much is the same effect of taking out a pocket mirror and seeing a red dot from a laser in the middle of your forehead.

Lord of Math1 votes

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the direction only appears at the very END of the stealth by which time you are already guaranteed to be charmed.. it's basically a Rengar ulti that CC's you. if the indicator was there from the start or even after 1 second. you would have time to respond. but was it is not its pretty much is the same effect of taking out a pocket mirror and seeing a red dot from a laser in the middle of your forehead.

Is that so? I really did not look into how exactly it works just read the information and watched the teasers. That seems like a really simple fix to give her even more counterplay. Also can you not see when she clicked on you? You can always back up in lane then.

The Last Ballad1 votes

The click does give you an indication that she is near(mainly the giant heart above your head), and then the arrow telling you the direction she is in after 2 seconds.

The Last Ballad2 votes

like you literally gave her EVERYTHING an assassin can ask for.. point and click CC on a gank even if u miss your skillshot

Point and click CC that reveals where she is coming from. Still cc, but its only a slow if she doesn't wait 2 seconds to engage(and those two seconds will reveal which direction she is in relation to you).

invisibility, that lets your freely roam the jungle or invade.

Ok? She had that before, but now you don't have to shell out 75g at the beginning of the game for a control ward to keep her from killing you at lvl 2.

an ultimate that is an execute and get you OUT of a fight..

Not to mention if you fail to kill someone with it(the mark tells you when you get the extra damage, not when you can kill them with it) you have no way to get back to them as they run away.

easy re-engage with your passive to heal up and deal bonus damage

Uh, is that reengage tied to her passive by any chance? Because while her passive heals her, it isn't very fast and has a point you have to be below for it to heal you. And going in and out of fights is what she used to do anyway.

% max hp vs tanks

Yeah, 4-6%(+.04% ap) max health every 8 seconds on a squishy assassin is going to be so helpful(do remember that tanks build resistances, the counter to % max health damage, will you?)

burst spikes even if your Q misses.

So a worse version of her old q? I mean, you only get three, with much less damage without the marks. It has - 5-20% ratio and - 15-35 flat damage compared to live.

literally even if she messes up you pretty much still get the kill.

Most of her damage lies in her w and ult, so if she messes those up she doesn't get the kill.

she literally has EVERYTHING an assassin could ever want with the ONLY drawback being you yourself misplaying. which they ALSO give you shit even if you MISS

You forgot the fact that she has no pre-6 ganking presence nor does she have a fast clear(as far as I have seen). Those are not good things.

compare this to another ap assassins like nidalee ( yes I'm using her.. I'm familiar with her)

zero from of cc entire kit, damage and gank reliant on landing one of the hardest to land skillshots in the game, with no form off cc of your own squishy with no reliable form of escape until your FULL pounce reset at lvl 16 (no lowering the cooldown from 6 seconds to 4 seconds is NOT a reset) % hp removed even though it was on an ability that would likely NEVER connect

very transparent kit, you can only pounce in on the target u spear. all damage is lower and no empowered pounce lowered if target is not hunted

So Nid needs buffs/a proper rework? People generally are of that opinion. Shouldn't you be comparing her to an assassin that is actually up to current standards(and not a artillery mage hybrid)?

evelynn gets EVERY an assassin could want.

WHERE are the drawbacks? unless you the players screws up the play i don't see any downsides to her kit. there are FAR to many "even if you mess up you get out free, and still probably kill them anyways"

I would say her weaknesses are in how she plays. She used to be an early game monster(and as a support I would have to give up 2/3s of my potions so I could buy a pink... which could be cleared). She no longer has that, while still retaining the pink weakness after lvl 6. And her cc relies on her waiting 2 seconds to attack the enemy(slightly shorter than a Zonyah's worth... That is a fair bit of time in game) after she alerts them to the fact she is near. Her ult is unreliable, and while versatile it can screw you over if you don't have everything in mind(where you will end up, where they are, at what health they will die to your ult). Depending on her clear strength and dueling potential, counter jungling could be an issue too. She specializes in hunting her prey, but has little to help her when she is being hunted(because pre-6 she doesn't have her ult blink, and her only cc is delayed by 2 seconds).

She is going to be strong most likely, but an assassin with low early game potential is still a drawback.

Caster8ball1 votes

^ Yikes ^

...Anyway, yeah I'm definitely scared!

The Last Ballad2 votes

Don't you mean scaroused?

It is Evelynn after all.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

No, she is not OP.

She has no stealth pre level 6 Her charm gives away where she likely is A lot of her abilities require close range

I feel like she will be an OP assassin on release and then get nerfed quickly.

ThunderSkelett1 votes

So be scared of all the buff she will get

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