Lichbane on Ahri?

Ahristocats·Jan 19, 2017·18 votes·7,873 views

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i wonder why it isn't built often, it adds 50% AP into her burst, gives 80 AP and some movement speed

85 Comments

WalkingInACircleJan 19, 20179 votes

I always find the item clunky and build Ludens by preference.

WinTheWarOnPantsJan 19, 20177 votes

popstar Ahri + item 3152 = https://media.giphy.com/media/26xBGpl5rVgs1R2ve/giphy.gif

HyperiönJan 20, 20171 votes

item 3152 + item 3100 has actually starting to be the first two items on her. I was watching Gross the other day, and every Ahri he went up against built them.

WinTheWarOnPantsJan 20, 20173 votes

i just really wanted to use that gif i made lol

Sire HippingtonJan 19, 20175 votes

Because most people seem to think it's melee only. Atleast for assasins. Or that it's impossible to use without empowered AAs, people are wierd...

LB with LB is a monster aswell, not only is her singletargetburs even higher than usuall, she can also chunk towers pretty hard, W in range, AA, port back and ~30% of the tower gone in the late, makeing her a huge splitpush threat.

Also, Lichbane adds more than 50% ap to Ahries burst, your charm lasts 1-2sec, LB has a 1.5sec cd and your 3 ult steps make it easy to proc it at will, so you can get two procs before your victim gets a real chance to react if he gets cought by the charm. Also, it adds alot towerpushing potential and decent dps vs tankier champs with her low cd W.

chipndip1Jan 19, 20174 votes

I wonder why A LOT of mages don't build Lich/Nashor's, honestly.

It's an extra attack option for after your initial burst combo. As long as you don't overdo playing into these options, I don't see why people don't use them. Especially TF players.

Oakleaf RangerJan 19, 20172 votes

Nashors tooth is pretty ineffective for most mages. Only a few scale well with attack speed and AP. If you can't make use of both stats your better off getting something else. I think a lot of players prefer ludens over lichbane currently which do similar things aka more burst. I personally prefer lichbane over Ludens since it also gives CDR and sheen passive. Ludens passive and move speed currently feels meh for me.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 20, 20172 votes

I've built it on Veigar a few times. He takes towers like a Tryndamere with it lol. Sometimes, when I'm fed but my team kinda sucks, I'll build it and splitpush. Since nobody can 1v1 me and with Ghost I can 1v2 for a single kill and get the hell out of dodge.

I agree though it's niche af.

Linna ExcelJan 20, 20171 votes

I kind of agree, but I think there's a little more too it. Unlike ADCs, very few AP champs have a lot of AAs. Kayle, Teemo, and Diana come to mind. I think Orianna could use it well given her passive, but she rarely auto attacks much as she can cast while moving. I think if the item gave more raw AP or had a bigger passive on hit, people might use it more but that would probably make it a little too good on the few champs who get it now. The other problem with the item is even if you want to get it, when do you get it? It's not core on most champs and few games last long enough for people to finish a full build.

Now riot could add a second feature like you get 5 life and 3 mana on hit from the item... that might make it more desirable.

Oakleaf RangerJan 20, 20172 votes

I don't think Oriana wants to get in auto range because of how squishy she is. She just gets easier to blow up the longer the game goes on.

Linna ExcelJan 20, 20171 votes

Yeah, that's the other problem.

If she has the ball on her, she's got a little defense, but it isn't much. But having the ball on you means you either can't use your skills or you have to drop your defenses and then get it back ASAP.

2Charmnot2CharmJan 20, 20171 votes

Because most champs can punish mages for getting into auto attack range?

RequiemsfireJan 19, 20174 votes

It's because you don't want to spend time weaving in autos between your spells but rather trying to focus on kiting backwards and bursting with your abilities.

Jeanne fan clubJan 19, 20173 votes

Its like a 4th+ item on her if you really want to go it. By that stage of the game, pretty much anything that can get to you will one shot you, so its not exactly optimal for you to get in aa range. Gunblade as a second item (after morrelo) is much better of an option, it gives more sustain, allows you to all in your lane opponent, and makes your autos not suck.

AhristocatsJan 20, 20171 votes

isn't your AA range as high as W range?

Jeanne fan clubJan 20, 20171 votes

W is immensely unreliable, I'd say that a strong 25% of the time it wont proc on an enemy champion, but a minion instead. It doesn't matter whatsoever if the ranges are the same, unless you get both lucky, and right next to the enemy, its not really worth it just for the W.

If you go Lich on ahri the only time you would be using it is after you ult, or during the e q aa combo. W is a really stupid ability to rely on IMO

RexSaurJan 19, 20172 votes

A lot of ahri mains do build it already.

Linna ExcelJan 20, 20171 votes

Where are you getting your info?

LOLking doesn't mention it, champ.gg has it as a last item on her highest winrate build, and na.op.gg says it is got less than 1% of the time.

Titanium70Jan 19, 20172 votes

Uhm.. actually...

The current Ahri-Meta Build looks like this:

Rush item 3100 item 3152 followed by heavy AP Items - it's not uncommon to skip item 3165 because LB and Prot also grant 20% CDR and Mana.

[EDIT: Funny how you get downvoted by posting raw facts these days... w/e.]

AhristocatsJan 19, 20176 votes

skip item 3165 ? impossible

HyperiönJan 20, 20171 votes

No, i have seen it too as well.

chipndip1Jan 19, 20173 votes

Then why not get Morello for the 100 ap, the remaining cdr, and then just buy pen boots?

Supreme Senpai69Jan 20, 20171 votes

Why get Lich Bane first? It gives less AP, less CDR, less mana.. and you can't use spellblade efficiently without AP. It's like how building AS and AD on ADCs do the same thing, so it's better to build AD first-- because abilities scale with AD you get more use out of it early on.

Linna ExcelJan 20, 20171 votes

The only answer I can come up to this is because you want mobility and mana early and you are in a match up where you can exploit or need that bonus AA damage.

I could also see getting it if you are planning on skipping boots.

Titanium70Jan 20, 20171 votes

Funny how you get downvoted by posting raw facts these days... w/e.

Sure you only want LB first if you have a very favorable matchup because of its mana. In most other scenarios getting the HPB first is the beter thing to do. (I just put LB before HPB because I found it first in the Item selection! x'D - the idea was: You rush these two. Not first this and than this.) In some scenarios Abysall is the Item you want to rush. In some sceanrios Zhonyas is the your rushing goal.

Builds alter in League!

All i wanted to show by my post:

LichBane (and Protobelt) are in fact build quite often - especially in higher Elos and there's nothing wrong with it! (Purpose of Thread!)
Some players even skip the powerfull Morellos to get to these Items earlier.

One Example

1000angrybeesJan 19, 20172 votes

I don't know why people don't consider it more often. It adds a HUGE portion of extra burst to your rotation, even possibly 2 or more procs on some champs (Ahri is a great example). Mana, CDR, movement speed, extra burst, and 80 AP is pretty excellent for one item.

Ahri Bard Elise Ezreal Karma Kennen Lulu Lux Nami Orianna Sona Taliyah TwistedFate Veigar Viktor Ziggs

All great candidates.

AhristocatsJan 19, 20176 votes

it's already core on viktor and tf

SweedishGunnerJan 19, 20175 votes

Also very popular on Ziggs. The tower damage is silly.

Omnem OccidoJan 19, 20171 votes

Also, if you are playing AP Ez and not building LB, you are an idiot.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 20, 20171 votes

Is there a reason to ever play AP Ez? Like, off meta aside I mean. I'll play support Ez and take spellthief's just for the mana regen and insane gold generation with the poke. But building him AD just seems... better in every single way, since you get the scaling ability damage but also the AA damage

Omnem OccidoJan 20, 20171 votes

Last season I loved him mid, because he had very good poke and can rattle off serious damage with a full rotation of abilities, higher damage on his ult. Basically, you trade marksman dps for mage/assassin burst.

Everything but his Q scales harder on AP, but getting LB on him allows his Q's to ultimately deal more damage because Lichbane ultimately deals more damage in late game than Triforce.

Ezreal was initially designed to be a Lichbane mid mage, and not much of that part of his kit was changed, but people took him Triforce bot and he and Urgot were the God Tier ADC's in Season 1, and his dominance carried on into Season 2, so the focus remained on him as an ADC, and shifted from mage.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 20, 20171 votes

Hrm. I've taken him mid too. I still go AD just to help with lasthitting and waveclear, mostly because I always get pushed in to my tower. But I suppose there are some interesting AP items. Like, instead of cull getting item 3165 . That item is just better usually. And having more mana would be a plus too.

I guess if you go AP Ezreal then Lich Bane WOULD be core for more sustained damage. I just don't see it though :P

If you can make it work though more power to ya!

Omnem OccidoJan 20, 20171 votes

I actually end up getting item 3003 , for the raw AP and the mana return on cast. item 3165 is just not able to keep up with the sheer amount of spell casting that usually happens with AP Ez. I usually get enough CDR from runes, Intelligence mastery, and then item 3158 and item 3057 is usually enough on CDR for early game. If I need defense, I get item 3157 or item 3001 , or if I need just a bit more damage, I might get item 3165 to finish 45% CDR, plus the mana added makes the total AP added at 112 thanks to the Seraph's Embrace, and the grievous wounds + mana regen on kill is always a nice bonus.

My AP Ez build always looks like this

item 1056 item 2003 x2 --> item 3070 item 3158 item 3057 --> item 3003 item 3089 item 3100 --> item 3135 and then item 3001 , item 3157 or item 3165 .

1000angrybeesJan 20, 20171 votes

I can't remember the last time I saw a viktor with lich. Then again, I haven't seen vik in a while. TF is obvious, yes.

OelykJan 19, 20172 votes

Okay Just going to say if you building ap on Bard Ezreal Sona TwistedFate Viktor It should already be a no brainer...

SaewinJan 19, 20171 votes

Sona main here. if you aren't building Lich Bane after your Redemption and Censer than something is seriously wrong with you,

AhristocatsJan 19, 20174 votes

No, trust me nothing is wrong with me

TyrekGoldenspearJan 19, 20171 votes

Don't the passives on Redemption and Censer not stack? Just wondering.

Supreme Senpai69Jan 20, 20174 votes

They do. Unique passives which don't have names stack. Passives that aren't unique stack with themselves too.

Linna ExcelJan 20, 20171 votes

Depends on your elo. I've heard some higher elo players prefer tankier items on Sona.

FantasySniperJan 20, 20172 votes

The simple reason is that item 3285 provides more reliable burst.

item 3100 is inefficient when you're already struggling to cast all your spells within the smallest window of time possible.

MLDzXnRRRJan 19, 20171 votes

She has enough dmg in her kit. Permaslowing with with Rylais is better.

AhristocatsJan 19, 201713 votes

except that rylai becomes slot inefficient in late game, and the slow is garbage since 6.24

also, she doesn't need permaslow she has enough stickness and kiting

2Charmnot2CharmJan 19, 20172 votes

I still get rylais if i see there is a melee champ that needs to be kited to help peel for myself and our adc because they got strong through kills/farm.

Spaceman5pffJan 19, 20172 votes

Still effective slowing chains via Foxfires and Ult, since it is single target.

That being said, I love lich bane Ahri, my favorite way to build ahri is actually Ahri summoner 4 summoner 6 item 3165 item 3100 item 3158

You get some sick mobility between super low CD Q's, and having ghost. Vs suishier teams that can be kited, she can really make life hell for the enemy, almost functioning like an AP Kalista of sorts.

Probably not the best cookie cutter ahri build, but I find it fun for the occasion I play Ahri.