Out of curiosity why Meddler never answered to anything about Twitch?

Ahristocats··40 votes·1,922 views

how can someone possibly, and i say possibly how can someone possibly think that twitch is remotly balanced?

since months you didn't say anything about him, ignored anything that pointed out his problems (ambush vs thrill of the hunt) counterplay, or healthiness (burst from stealth) or anything

why? why is that? he's been like this for 10 patches now

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Death by Glamour10 votes

There are problems with twitch but is it

His kit

Or

Items

One thing I would love to see is him and every other adv to be banished from the jungle. Red buff and red smite is beyond a joke on a ranged carry

Ahristocats5 votes

idk dude you tell me

his kit is full of rightclicking can burst out of stealth can attack in AOE from 850 range out of stealth

i would say the kit is a problem especially stealth, why does it have 400 radius anyway?

Penns2 votes

gbay just told me jax is the best designed champ in the game because everything he does has counterplay

why not twitch too? hehe

Ahristocats6 votes

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gbay just told me jax is the best designed champ in the game because everything he does has counterplay

who the fuck is gbay? and no jax doesn't have counterplay

his only counterplay is "bait his e" which is stupid af because it's like trynd ult and kayle ult

yauso wall at least can be crossed

Penns2 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRLIZiVywVM

but be careful if you want to watch it, you might get triggered

i did xd

Ahristocats4 votes

"he's not really that good in those recent tank metas"

stopped right there, jax is top2 toplane after gnar atm

Penns2 votes

it gets better tho, like "just let his E go on cooldown and engage afterwards", "he never feels bs because you made a mistake when he kills you" or https://youtu.be/NRLIZiVywVM?t=9m27s lel

An Undead brat1 votes

Lmao how are people so stupid that they don't understand this level of sarcasm?

Penns2 votes

what sarcasm exactly?o

An Undead brat1 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Death by Glamour3 votes

Is this a tank meta?

Or a meta where tanks are the only ones that can take more than 4 auto attacks from a carry?

AirKingNeo1 votes

Sure, if Jayce, Akali, Cho'Gath, Maokai, and Riven are sharing #0 equally.

And you're implying Pantheon got nerfed like Meddler said 3 months ago.

Maybe.

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

Stopped taking his videos seriously for a while now lol.

Sir Fuzzi1 votes

But pussyfooting around a bunch of NPCs hoping to God that my enemy is less patient for this mash of wasted time than I am while I hope for them to make a slip-up both opportune for me and oppressive for them is the only reason I play video games.

I wouldn't want to engage patterns like thinking and using a combo in a fashion other than "just sort of get into damage range and have a big ol' conniption on the QWE keys." That would be utter rubbish.

ganggoink1 votes

AHAHAHAHHAHA he quotes me a d5 0lp HAHAHAHAHAHAH

Death by Glamour1 votes

Would blame it on a number of things

Ofc the stealth + ult. Taking away the bonus ad and reduce the range would be a dencent chamge imo for the time being.

He no longer rushes botrk. Zeal and bf sword is the standard build in the botlane. Brings a far earlier powerspike. Not to mention runaans gives crit now.

A decent early game, none of the late game hyper carries have a terrible lane phase. Why the hell can the likes of ez and twitch jungle... two late game carries have better clears than most bruisers

Support items. Won't say more on these we all know the issues with them.

Most bruisers and assassins are atleast considered weak.

As I said in my original post there are clear problems with twitch, but hitting him with nerfs is just a plaster (bandaid) on greater problems with the overall game.

JJI7445 votes

Hurricane is a large part of the problem with Twitch. It has the obvious synergy, stacking passive on multiple people for Expunge, but its outright broken because it makes his AA with ulti hit anything in a 200 degree arc in front of him. Yes, it hits stuff that is technicly behind him.

https://youtu.be/009hEBbb3MM?t=691

Watch Annie here. Twitch is ulting-attacking at Sivir. Not only is Sivir a large distance away from Annie, Annie is actually behind Twitch here, but hte hurricane bolt still hits Annie.

Choclatz1 votes

That's mostly a bug, not how the interaction actually works.

I can make a video to show you the real reason hurricane is a must have on him of you wish for me to.

JJI7441 votes

Whether or not its intentional or a bug, it is how it currently works. Hurricane lets you hit targets no where even remotely clsoe to your actual target.

Plus it makes the ideal situation (two or more targets in a row) strange since you do more damage to the target your not actually aiming at. (The secondary target gets hit by the ulti-shots and hurricane bolts)

Agent Corgi1 votes

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One thing I would love to see is him and every other adv to be banished from the jungle.

What about Kindred Kindred ? They were designed around being a Jungle-Based ADC, they'd have to rework them again if they decided Marksman champions had no place in the Jungle.

Kloqdq3 votes

I think the main issue is what do you want twitch to be. An assassins AD which is a cool concept not many ADs get to have, a poison stacker, also a really cool concept for ADs, or a generic team fighting AD. He has 2 cool aspects that we should focus his power on and sap a lot of it from his ultimate and give it a different purpose. The ultimate is where I think he finds himself being too strong in combination to his cooler aspects, the stealth and the poison stacking.

AirKingNeo1 votes

His poison isn't even that good.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

His poison is just there to be like Brand's passive. It's not meant to kill you on its own, it's meant to finish off stragglers that managed to barely survive your burst. I say change his poison to no longer be true damage and deal less damage to a healthy target but deal more damage the less HP they have.

Kloqdq1 votes

But the thing is it could be and it could be interesting. Better than the bland 800 range team nuke.

ddoA2 votes

Nothing new really, this was always like that, they decide what champs needs to be meta and others just get hitted too hard so they stay away from meta, remember Ekko patch note ? "He is strong, but we will give him even more power" so this pretty much answer your question, they will probably just nerf the crit items after they decided to change meta

Ahristocats7 votes

riot worded it poorly

ekko at least in high elo is not strong and needs buffs assassins are all bad except talon because of his roaming

Ahris2 votes

Obviously riot considers him balanced if they never talked about him right? No nerf = balanced.

Nea1042 votes

There are tons of unbalanced/broken things in this game, and I've seen very few answers about (and even less solutions). So, no wonder :D

AirKingNeo1 votes

I made a list of solutions. No one read so I guess one want it.

Nea1041 votes

Yes, I think many things are intentional (i.e., to sell skins).

Dengeden2 votes

Because he was "remotely balanced". Or a troll pick, depending who you asked. Twitch can always be a hypercarry and pseudoassassin but he will remain a glasscannon, no matter what. That's always been his balancing lever.

And there's always a top tier ADC, it's a simple matter of meta rotations. If Meddler had said any of these things, you would have downvoted and quotemined him.

Melledoneus2 votes

He is right under our noses...

meowwow71 votes

the only time i see him not have much effectiveness against me or my team is when i'm Braum but people flame me when i hover him and not an ardent user

Ahristocats2 votes

good luck having your 5 teammates behind you in a soloq because if they're just aside they're going to get hit by runnan+850 range

meowwow71 votes

who said i was going to have them behind me i could just body block twitch with a max rank e since it destroys runnan bolts as well

Dasdi961 votes

He has been like that since patch 7.9 where they overbuffed crit itemization.

Fisher No Chains1 votes

Good question, Twitch has been one of my top bans since... last December?

Why is Tristana getting nerfed when her stats are lower than Twitch's? Twitch is not strong because of sup itemization, if anything those changes made him even stronger.

Take my upvote and let's hope that someone will answer, sooner or later. I highly doubt they will though.

Penns1 votes

they also ignored crit in general and mostly ignored tanks because worlds is cuming

thats why i just wait and play nier automata till preseason to have fun again hehe

Abibyama1 votes

They might or might not touch Twitch on tomorrow's PBE

PePsiLemoNN1 votes

Cause whatever he says he will get downvoted to hell ( unless he says he deletes Twitch from the game). Every rioter takes the gameplay board with a lot of grains of salt and for good reason.

I'd be happy if Twitch was removed tho.

13900 Essence1 votes

I don't have any issues with twitch, probably because for some reason I never see him.

I fucking hate playing against trist though, at least you can cc twitch.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

Because any answer he could give would just lead to downvotes so long as it wasn't about them nerfing him next patch.

Note: I hate how strong Twitch is right now too.

The Deckowner1 votes

Paid by Twitch.

Niyumi1 votes

Because if any of the devs say anything to disillusion whales, they are immediately fired. This is an F2P company, and so they have to make sure whales are happy and feel secure, so that Riot can milk them most efficiently. If they become unhappy, or believe they win only because they abuse freelo, then they spend less money, which hurts Riot's profit (which is in the billions).

Choclatz1 votes

Because he is competent and does plenty of research and puts thought into what truly is making twitch feel too strong in solo queue.

I wonder how all of these supports with busted items removing twitch's weaknesses might tie into him being a good pick...

ganggoink1 votes

I feel like twitch will be so much weaker if riot actually starts nerfing Lulu, Janna and ardent.

DR NEEDLEDlCK1 votes

Riot only responds to threads that kiss their asses. A bit like Blizzard.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

I think twitch is balanced...

i swear it's not cuz i play twitch.

srsly tho? he's a tad strong but like i say in any of these " teh adc is tew stronge" threads. Nerf shields.

on a side note anyone tried item 3147 item 3087 item 3094 yet? it's thrash but oneshotting the adc is so much fun, don't take it into ranked tho stick to runaans there.

Jivewolf1 votes

I've always said twitch was way over powered way back when lethality got nerfed and crit items got buffed. Legit the only nerf they gave him was the mana cost to his bomb. Thats not the problem the problem is twitch can assassinate your whole team just by clicking R. I so relate to this post, I have no idea how he wasn't nerfed more when crit items were buffed. Such an aids pick or ban champ.

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