Lack of counterpicks. Top lane has counters. Mid lane has counters. Even Jungle and support have counters. But the counters for adc's are lacking and this makes it harder to carry the game. I dont have the opportunity to make a huge impact on the game in champ select
WoonStruck3 votesAny time something counters them, Riot guts them out of viability.
Ralanr1 votesUsually because their counterpicks basically do the same thing as the hypercarries late.
When Lucian was strong, his end game damage may have been less than a Twitch or Vayne, but it was still late game ADC damage to everyone else.
Woook3r1 votesno. crit items do the same thing late game. And they can all build crit. Riot wont differentiate the base stats like attack speed and range the way they need to. There are two types of adc. auto attack and ability casters. The casters dont need to be building crit but riot lets them even though its pretty obvious range is the only thing that really makes crit work since crit fishing is the only way to have a decent mid game when you rush ie.
idk what this shit about adc so powerful. its the attack speed and crit scaling that make them strong. not the champions or ranged autos. Cause their auto range is complete crap at 550. it might as well be melee.
All they have to do is differentiate between the casters and the auto attack crit adc's. Idk why they find it so confusing.
Erockandroll1 votesno. crit items do the same thing late game. And they can all build crit. Riot wont differentiate the base stats like attack speed and range the way they need to. There are two types of adc. auto attack and ability casters. The casters dont need to be building crit but riot lets them even though its pretty obvious range is the only thing that really makes crit work since crit fishing is the only way to have a decent mid game when you rush ie.
idk what this shit about adc so powerful. its the attack speed and crit scaling that make them strong. not the champions or ranged autos. Cause their auto range is complete crap at 550. it might as well be melee.
All they have to do is differentiate between the casters and the auto attack crit adc's. Idk why they find it so confusing.
Caster's don't benefit nearly as much from AS or crit chance, though as ADC's they are still heavily AA centric regardless.
What they do benefit from is armorPen, Because Armor pen bolsters both base, and scaling damage. But everyone just B*tched about it when ADC's actually built it. Too bad they didn't stick with that synergy when Apen got changed to Lethality, I guess people bought into it only for the early game.
Lastly, Even with a crit oriented build, casters do have it fair thanks to ER. Granted it's still late game focused, but in the end, ER severely benefits casters, thanks to it's CDR and mana regen.
WoonStruck1 votes
Wow, seems to me like any time something was somewhat reliable vs ADCs, they've been gutted or reworked.
Watch as Hec, Rengar, Syndra (next time they nerf her after the upcoming changes), and vi all get gutted soon. Olaf if he keeps showing up in competitive too.
Ralanr2 votesI meant lane bully ADCs.
WoonStruck1 votesThose are still ADCs.
Are those immune to the criticism that ADCs in general get for some reason?
Ralanr1 votesNo. If anything it's because of the criticism that lane bully ADCs get nerfed which lead to hyper carries getting popular and out of control again, which leads to lane bullies getting buffed.
The cycle repeats over and over and over and over and over and over
WoonStruck1 votesMeanwhile everyone hates ADCs because Riot panders to both, even if only one is dominating at any given time.
Any time something else addresses them well, they get gutted.
Big Lincoln3 votesMost of these champs were just as bullshit for the other 4 enemies as they were for the ADC
WoonStruck3 votesThere's not a way to be bullshit for ADCs without being bullshit for everyone else as well.
Ahristocats2 votes+1
Horse Grenades2 votesBot lane is almost always decided by support players.