My secret Ap build that will work on any AP champ....

xxxMadLionxxx·May 24, 2018·6 votes·2,189 views

Whether I build an ap fighter like Diana, a burst assassin like Fizz, or a sustain APC like Cass, or a control mage ziggs, Ap support like karma, I can build the same thing every time. And it works well.

Its so easy and simple, its almost braindead. I’m so glad that I’m not overwhelmed by the many unique and diverse items that AD champs have to choose from. My head might just explode if I had to go through that dilemma.

So thank you riot. Thank you for truely understanding what the Ap community wanted when they said... ‘We need diversity’......

[sg-lulu]

25 Comments

Dead flag bluesMay 24, 20183 votes

I want an AP item 3812 equivalent for AP champions who aren't long-ranged caster or assassins (like Diana Gragas )

Warlord RhinarkMay 24, 20181 votes

Life's Hustle.

2800 Gold.

100 AP

10% CDR.

Unique Passive: Instantly heal for 15% of all magical damage dealt. Area of effect magical damage only heals 5% for every unit affected.

Unique Passive: Stores 30% of all physical and magical damage received, and is taken as damage over time true damage instead, dealing one-third of the stored damage every second.

Builds out of item 3108 item 1026 item 1052

InfernapeMay 24, 20184 votes

Vladimir "hello"

Warlord RhinarkMay 24, 20183 votes

uh oh

oh no

BonipherusMay 24, 20184 votes

vlad and akali are actually the reasons we can't have nice things

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20182 votes

where's ad zhonyas then

DrCyanideMay 24, 20183 votes

item 2419 Use it wisely.

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20182 votes

that's generic, not ad

Dead flag bluesMay 24, 20186 votes

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where's ad zhonyas then

item 3139 is a better item than item 3157 , not to mention you can still buy item 2419 and have item 3155 too

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20183 votes

Really? So is that why MercScem's buyrate is way lower than Hourglass or are you just shitting me with something with no basis on facts?

Dead flag bluesMay 24, 20182 votes

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really? So is that why MercScem's buyrate is way lower than Hourglass?

because Malzahar isn't meta anymore and was nullifying him. Same for Zed and item 3157

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20182 votes

except for the past 4 months both zed and malz weren't meta and Hourglass was still built more.

You can't dance around the fact Hourglass is bought more often.

DW DianaMay 24, 20181 votes

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except for the past 4 months both zed and malz weren't meta and Hourglass was still built more.

You can't dance around the fact Hourglass is bought more often.

Hourglass is bought more often because its effect is more applicable to more matchups. Ga would be the ad equivalent, bought on all AD champions except tanks. QSS etc doesn't have an ap equivalent. Also with AP champions being less mobile then ad and having less burst it makes sense for them to invest in this earlier then their AD counterparts, meaning with game times and items purchased being lower then normal, less AD champions are getting to the point in their build where they will buy this compared to AP who will tend to buy this pretty early on.

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20181 votes

but GA isn't bought on all champions. Bruisers rarely get GA besides Fiora and Riven. Plus you proved me right in Hourglass is built more.

DW DianaMay 24, 20185 votes

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where's ad zhonyas then

GA. you don't have to activate it before you die

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20181 votes

you missed the point...

Stop asking for AP variant of AD items. AD variants of AP items don't exist.

DW DianaMay 24, 20185 votes

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you missed the point...

Stop asking for AP variant of AD items. AD variants of AP items don't exist.

I'm afraid you missed the point actually...

The variety of items available to AD is vastly larger then those available to AP. Therefore most AP champions will build the extra same items whether they are playing a mage, fighter, enchanter, diver or assassin. A perfect example of this is Diana, a champion designed to be the AP equivalent of Irelia (a DIVER), who is currently building full AP assassin because she lacks any items that suite her playstyle. Diana can literally build ANYTHING 1st item as long as it has AP attached to it. Why? Because there are no items that are designed for AP bruisers/divers/fighters etc. There is no Triforce, no steraks, no titanic/ravenous hydra, no black cleaver. In a similar fashion there is nothing really for AP assassin's. They get Lichbane, and then....build mage. There is no duskblade, ghostblade, lord Dominic's.

Even when you look at items such as mortal reminder/voidstaff, they both give resistance pen, but for GW you need to go 3000 gold into a different item when AP, while AD get it for 800 gold and builds INTO their anti tank items.

AD just has far more variety, which allows for a much more varied playstyle of champions. While Riot have created some champions to fit into these alternatives, they have yet to create the items that allow them to viably fill those roles, leading to them building the exact same items as mages.

Note: before you comment about lichbane, remember it is currently more useful on most mages then on a bruiser style Diana due to it's AP scaling, unlike triforce which scales naturally as you level.

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20181 votes

because there is a higher variety of AD classes. It is extreme false equivalency to say pretend that every AD champion has access to every AD item. Meanwhile every AP champion can use every AP item except about 4-5 being locked to their respective class (assassins with proto, gunblade, mages with mana items).

AP isn't as common as AD because dealing magic damage is an inherent advantage, which is why it is less common. SOmetimes I question if people understand this game'd design fundamentals.

DW DianaMay 24, 20182 votes

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because there is a higher variety of AD classes.

Wow that's a very liner point of view you've got there. Allow me to shatter it for you. Every champion type that exsists for AD used to exist for AP. It is only due to the lack of relevant items within the AP pool that has dictated they be played AD. Don't believe me? Look at all the champions that USED to be played building AP items. Notice how they all started building AD instead? What items did the decide to build? Look into this and shatter, or ignore and remain ignorant

It is extreme false equivalency to say pretend that every AD champion has access to every AD item.

No but they all have items that are designed around their class. AP do not.

Meanwhile every AP champion can use every AP item except about 4-5 being locked to their respective class (assassins with proto, gunblade, mages with mana items).

Can use? Yes. In the same way anyone with AD scaling CAN USE AD. It's just they're not optimal with them. This is the situation AP are currently in. The items are not the best that COULD or SHOULD be available, but they are sadly the ONLY items available.

It's like saying "Assassins, duelists, bruisers, adc's all work off AD, so we'll give them 7 items that give AD, hp, and an activate effect. Every item will scale off your AD, you have only 2 lethality items; one boots, the other a GW item called "mortal reminder that AP have had this for ages" that costs 3000g and has some extra HP, Black cleaver gone, triforce working off ad scaling, ravenous/titanic hydra removed, steraks removed, lifesteal items removed (you can keep DD but it no longer gives CDR, the bleed passive, but does give you some AP!), crit gone unless it's included in the ability under defined circumstances, and one attack speed item with a scaling AD on hit effect (5% sounds fair right?). But don't worry, you can keep manamune (it'll give 20% cdr but cost increased), GA and of course edge of night (with it's lethality removed ofc).

There we go, you have 7 items that can be used on ANY AD champion. What more could you want? Everyone can build the same shit after all, they don't NEED items designed for their champion type right?

Get a bloody grip or just stop talking. I'm done with you, someone else can listen to your idiocy.

AirKingNeoMay 24, 20181 votes

AP items don't need to be designed around a class because AP items are all generic except a few. Every AP champion will get Hourglass, Void Staff, and Deathcap.

Step Sis LuxMay 24, 20182 votes

Almost every game on every mage (beside ziggs zoe and more lich bane users) build is item 3285 or item 3040 item 3020 item 3089 item 3135 item 3165 or item 3151 item 3157 XD i would love to see something ap like item 3046 item 3812 or item 3053