Irelia and Yasuo should be the new bar for fighter designs

Moody P·Mar 8, 2019·4 votes·1,239 views

At last we finally have functional melee carries with deep, complex kits. At last, melee carries actually provide a viable alternative to the eternal marksman.

These 2 champions are paragons of League and create interesting variable game play and greatly highlight player skill while still providing deep, layered strategy.

I could only hope that Riot blesses the rest of the fighter roster with this same grace and saves us from the ranged scum that plague our game daily in all lanes.

16 Comments

ﬂooMar 8, 20193 votes

I know you hate ranged champs like nothing else, but no. These 2 designs should not be the template for new fighters. They are WAY too focussed on rewarding you for hitting quick, rather uninteractive and high damaging spells (both Q's or Yas E) and make it feel absolutely disgusting to play against. Of course there should be viable melee options against ranged champions, but not every champ should have these options. It's already hard enough to face these 2. And another thing, by giving them tools such as windwall to mainly nullify ranged attackers, you're also gonna screw over melees' options to gap close/stun/poke etc. and make the champ a living nightmare to not only ranged champs but EVERYONE. Take a guess why Irelia pre nerfs and Yasuo since his release have had abnormous banrates. Hypermobility in addition to extreme damage, cc AND also multiple defensive options should not exist in the first place.

Sir SaltarinMar 8, 20192 votes

I like Irelia and hate Yasuo.

Moody PMar 8, 20192 votes

Yasuo is the superior design after Irelia lost her disarm and a major portion of her strategic niche

CertainlyT is the greatest dev League has ever known

KnightmereMar 8, 20192 votes

I can't really agree that a champion which litterarly glides endlessly through minion waves is a good design...

Moody PMar 8, 20191 votes

He is. Yasuo has counterplay pouring at the seams

KnightmereMar 8, 20192 votes

I don't think you quite got what I meant. Most champions don't have enough mobility to even start making counter-plays against him, thats not a good design

ZackTheWaffleManMar 8, 20192 votes

elaborate, or reveal that you are trolling

Moody PMar 8, 20191 votes

The only complaint I would levy about Yasuo is how his passive shield works. I think it gives him a bit too much early safety for how often it's up and considering that Steraks is now a core item on him.

Everything else about Yasuo is perfectly acceptable though; Wind Wall is situationally valuable and varies between matchups, E ties him to minion waves so a careless player is easily punishable as well as having clear counterplay of moving the fight away from your wave, and Q can be side stepped to delay his tornados.

hshtagniemehrcduMar 8, 20191 votes

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Yasuo is the superior design after Irelia lost her disarm and a major portion of her strategic niche

Irelia never had a "strategic niche". She was strong versus any matchup, had high kill threat in most of them, and was strong during every single stage of the game - wether it be laning, splitpushing, teamfighting. Could be effectivly played in top and mid. She literally was instant firstpick in esports, because there wasn't any real counterpicking anyway - and even if someone found something, they'd just switch the lanes. Changing her w so that it only reduces normal damage and not everything, turns her more into a niche pick then before, not less.

What exactly are your points on why their design is good? You only said you personally liked it, but gave no indication as to why.