@Meddler, what are you going to do to Ashe?

D357R0Y3R··1 votes·795 views

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As an Ashe main i'm not getting it, what's your problem with her?

She uses Crit the same way she used it before IE change she gets bonus damage for each % of crit, but instead of getting 50% more damage from IE passive she now converts a part of the crit damage into true damage

so i'm not understanding what's your problem with her interaction and morever will it be a buff? or a nerf? And why would you change her anyway if her win rate did not change at all?

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FabWarlock1 votes

They will probably give Ashe more crit.

Poop Jelly1 votes

I think a buff. She wasn't on the strong side before the patch and it seemed items got worse for her. I'm excited though. I wanna see the old adcs making a comeback instead of keeping the new ones at top all the time. Getting sick of seeing Jhins, Kaisas, Xayahs. Bring back Ashe Sivir Corki!

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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Bring back Ashe Sivir Corki!

Just because Ashe has 49% win rate doesn't mean she's bad She's horribly underrated

The nerf to crit was a buff to her, because she can't burst unlike other crit adcs but only DPS The items didn't get worse for her, she just builds blade of the ruined king+black cleaver and bork is an insane powerspike

before 8.11 she built crit and needed 2 or 3 items to powerspike, now she only needs one

Oleandervine1 votes

Her kiting got destroyed by the crit changes because her slows from her passive scaled on her crit strike chance. Now to even begin remotely having decent slows, she has to wait a helluva lot longer to get crit items online and then get IE to boot, since all of it increased in cost (remember, Runaan's Hurricane was a staple to her kit).

D357R0Y3R1 votes

Yea, but she still has BORK active to kite and her W always applies full slow

Oleandervine1 votes

She never NEEDED BoRK to kite before, because her kit allowed her to kite without activated slows. And even if W applies a full slow, a full slow of 12% because she's not stacking enough crit to make it matter is useless.

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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And even if W applies a full slow, a full slow of 12%

I'm sorry? the full slow is 60% just like any crit, because her W crits

Oleandervine1 votes

From the Wiki: "Frost Shot: Ashe's basic attacks and abilities apply Frost Shot 2 Frost to affected enemies, slowing them by 10 - 20 (based on level)% for 2 seconds and causing subsequent basic attacks against them to deal 10% (+ 100% critical strike chance) AD bonus physical damage while they remain slowed.

Critical Slow: Ashe's Critical strike icon critical strikes deal no additional damage, but instead triple Frost Shot 2 Frost's slow strength to 30 - 60 (based on level)%, decaying over 1 second to its normal strength."

Given that critical strike items now take longer to build (their gold cost is increased) and that Infinity Edge costs a mountain of money, Ashe hitting her maximums on critical strike chance are much lower than they were before the marksman item updates. Because of this, Ashe, who's supposed to have utility that excels in the earlier stages of the game, is crippled by her itemization and her kiting is pretty much worthless until she gets a significant investment in items. At that point, her kiting is less important, because towards the middle and late game, kiting isn't as strong as it is in lane, especially with team fighting being more common.

Poop Jelly1 votes

I don't think she's weak or bad, but definitely not on the strong side of marksmen. I have never been much of a fan over BOTRK + BC Ashe (since the Koreans introduced them if I remembered correctly?). Crits had a more stable and reliable use, but then again I'm speaking from someone who builds Ashe through crits so that's where my opinion stands. I just think she deserved to be popular again, along with Sivir and Corki as ADC. I'm so over those overused Kaisa Jhin Ezreal etc. that I wish it could be the time for the classic ones to rise again.

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