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Something really needs to be done about assassins

Visigoth··4 votes·742 views

In general, pretty much every single assassin has been absurdly broken at one point. Not just slightly overtuned, but ABSURD. Sure, we have some well rounded ones now, like Shaco Rengar Khazix, but those guys (save Shaco) were also broken at a time.

Let's get something straight, assassins shouldn't have CC nor sustain (other than junglers). Inevitably it always leads to a broken 1v5 bullshit machine.

Some examples: Pre-NerfKhazix : Let's put 50% damage reduction on an assassin who already has a reset mechanic to get out of fights. Zed & Leblanc (and now Ekko): Go in, kill the person, blink out. Didn't kill them? Don't worry you can blink out anyways. No punishment at all for failure (whereas Kha'Zix cannot get out unless he gets a kill and Rengar pretty much never gets out despite getting the kill). Kassadin &Talon Pre-Silence Removal: So there's this guy. He basically goes in. Makes you unable to do anything other than walk. And burst you down in .2 seconds. Then he gets out with Riftwalk/Invis. Although with silence removed I'd say these guys are pretty decent (although it literally took years to balance Kass). Pre-Nerf Yasuo: Excuse me while I 1v5 for this pentakill.

Those are just a few. Let's face it, Riot clearly has no idea what the hell they're doing with assassins. Literally no assassin has been remotely healthy upon release. Sure, plenty of champions in various roles are strong on release, but none quite as strong as assassins usually are (except XinZhao, fuck that guy on release).

I don't think Riot knows what an assassin even is at this point. Let me refer to a dictionary definition: "a murderer of an important person in a surprise attack for political or religious reasons." Meaning, the champion would be designed to kill one high priority target, or die trying. Or both. However most assassins have been able to go in, kill half your team (as opposed to just the carry) and either bullshit blink away or casually walk away because they killed your entire team anyways.

Riot, one person. They are supposed to kill one person. Stop with this bullshit AoE nuke crap and 2 second stuns on assassins.

13 Comments

Arsames3 votes

No, Assassnis are the second weakest role at the moment in pro-scene. Something really needs to be done about low elo players posting on the forums pretending they know anything about the games balance and how to play the game properly.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=BEST+SCYTHER+KR

If Assassins are so strong, why are you failing hard at them? Your assassin stats are laughable.

SleepinGhostFace3 votes

It's true that they are weak right now, but the fact that some can escape without consequence is the one of the problems he's talking about. Instead of flaming him, put that thing between your ears to use and come up with a counter-argument (or a link to a good one).

On another note, I do agree with the one target only thing. This is directly from the LOL Wiki page for assassins

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Champion/Champion_Attributes

Champions with mediocre auto-attacks or defense, who specialize in killing their enemies quickly. These champions usually are physical attackers and are DPS-based (damage per second) or are AP (ability power) burst oriented. Many of them have some form of invisibility or blinking ability which lets them choose the right moment to step in or out of a fight. They should focus on items that will increase the damage they put out over a short period of time. In fights, they play a role as sneak attackers of key targets (like the Marksman or the Mage), who pick off weak enemies and carry champions at the right time. They should not be played for frontal engagements in team fights since they lack good defense compared to Fighters and Tanks. Assassins focus on timing and positioning, rather than brute strength or defense, to ensure their kills.

Arsames1 votes

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It's true that they are weak right now, but the fact that some can escape without consequence is the one of the problems he's talking about. Instead of flaming him, put that thing between your ears to use and come up with a counter-argument (or a link to a good one).

You low el0 players don't know what you are talking about. No Assassin can "escape without consequence". Escaping doesn't win you the game. There is only 1 solid Assassin pick in pro-play and that is LeBlanc, which will change with the nerf to her in the next patch. I am not flaming anyone, you are low elo, he is low elo, this is a fact. Is the truth offensive to you? Grow up. Go watch some LCS and get a clue about the game, before making claims about what is OP and what isn't OP. Assassins don't dominate LCS, they are the second least picked role. All time number one role that has always dominated and gotten picked in pro-play is MARKSMAN, MARKSMAN is the strongest role in the game, followed by SUPPORT.

Assassins don't dominate in LCS because pro-players know how to play the game properly, unlike low elo solo q players. Assassins are fine, the problem are the players, not the champions.

SleepinGhostFace1 votes

HE IS CLEARLY NOT TALKING ABOUT PRO-PLAYERS; PRO-PLAYERS PLAY THIS GAME IN SUCH A WAY THAT IS DIFFERENT THEN REGULAR PLAYERS WILL. WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE IS LOW ELO DOESN'T MAKE WHAT THEY SAY ANY LESS RIGHT/WRONG THEN WHAT YOU SAY. FREEDOM OF SPEAK IDIOT THAT'S WHY I THINK YOUR FLAMING HIM.

Terff3 votes

LCS is wayy different than Solo-Q bro.

GetBoomedOn2 votes

Kha'zix when he had insane damage still was punished for failure.

Kivolan2 votes

Welcome to the tank Meta, where everything has over 3k HP and assassins don't matter.

KazaLyn Shao2 votes

The problem with assassins it that Riot can't make a healthy one. Riot has to give all assassins high mobility, CC, wave clear, and insane burst, so the gameplay reduce to "jump in, KABOOM!, jump out". A monkey can do that. The only thing an assassin needs is decent burst and a way INTO the fight. They should never be guaranteed a way out of the fight, and if the fight is lost, they shouldn't even have an option to exit that isn't a summoner spell. Giving assassins such ridiculous mobility is what makes them stupid for the game. Stop giving they free escapes, and for god's sake stop giving them wall hops.

Frank3271 votes

People think that the only weakness that a champion has involves killing said champion. What people don't think about is that your midlaner is a carry that your team needs to win fights. And that's their weakness: they can't teamfight properly. They have to stay on the side, looking for a way to kill a carry without getting CC'd and killed immediately. Meanwhile most mages are dealing tons of AOE damage to the enemy team and winning the teamfight. Something assassins can't do or have real problems doing.

Also they tend to not have ranged waveclear which makes sieging against them easy.

SleepinGhostFace1 votes

Arsame plz take what this guy did as an example of a counter-argument. I don't care what elo anyone is, just prove them wrong or explain the holes in their logic its not hard.

Lt Cuddles1 votes

I'm sorry, what...? item 3102 item 3157 item 3040 item 3026 item 3072

All these items can help to curb assassins, they aren't even a threat if your team is ready for them...

theragingnerd1 votes

yasuo isn't exactly a aassassin but he does the dps like he is XD

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