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Blitzcrank seems to be more than a Tank.

Rew711··6 votes·1,156 views

The dude has power, and I like that. But his kit is so broken it should be looked at. I mean, how can you not at least look at it?

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/4.15.1/img/passive/Blitzcrank_ManaBarrier.png Mana Barrier

His passive is the first thing I want to discuss. I don't really see much wrong here actually. Its annoying but still understandable. But there isn't much of a limit in late game like the other passives. In late game, he's able to retreat at low health with over thousand bonus health for the duration of the passive. But still, it can be understandable.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/4.15.1/img/spell/RocketGrab.png Rocket Grab

I have to ask. Why Riot? Isn't this ability unfair at all to you guys. Does anyone see this as an unfair ability. Ok. So, I'm going to grab you (dealing a lot of damage and at an unfair speed) pull you to me (at a very fast pace and then you are also stunned) so that I can deal more damage afterwards. This thing deals up to 300 damage without any AP. Why? Not even Zilean's time bombs deal this much damage. And that's his only damage ability. This only costs a 100? mana. That is very crazy Riot.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/4.15.1/img/spell/Overdrive.png Over Drive

Blitzcrank is not an adc, therefore this is not needed. Bonus speed is one thing but attack speed is another. He gain tremendous AS with this. Up to 62% and with bonus MS? Common Riot. After doing a Q & E, this would be his killing move. Other than the ultimate.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/4.15.1/img/spell/PowerFist.png Power Fist

Alright, this may had been overlooked, if it wasn't the most broken combo move ever. I've seen this so many times, first Q then the E which take out at least half to two-thirds of the opponents health. That is just stupid crazy. But also, 25 mana? Are you guys even trying to make this game fair?

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/4.15.1/img/spell/StaticField.png Static Field

Now this one is what made me so mad. It deals up to 500 damage without AP and has an insane passive that deals 300 damage as well with no added AP. What's the deal with this Riot. You nerfed so many (cough, Vladimir, cough) but this guy, though many may not want it or like it, has not even been done with as well.

His Q needs to deal at least half of the current damage to no damage at all with no stun after the pull. Which will make it up to 150 damage in general.

His W needs less attack speed. The movement speed is ok.

His E needs to start from 35(+) mana cost and gain in at least +5 mana per upgrade.

And the ultimate needs to be scaled down to half the damage for the passive and the activation. Making it up to 150 damage to random enemies and up to 250 damage. If kept as is, his ability power can go to at least 300 AP giving this 800 damage for a very low cost. The time for this needs to be more than it is now. This ability is way to powerful.

Again, I really don't mind the passive.

17 Comments

AnomalousChimera2 votes

Blitzcrank's grab is very easy to avoid, and if you are struggling to get around it, you need a lot of help, and this is coming from a mediocre player. I have no delusions about me being a good player, but it's not hard to ward/keep minions between you and Blitzcrank.

Rew7112 votes

There are some champs who can avoid this. And I am going to believe you play a Fizz when you say this; or something that can avoid his grabs. Even if you don't, you also play with a Flash most likely. I don't use the Flash, and why would I, with such a huge cool down for one little movement forward. It only helps if I'm against a Blitzcrank. I'm no pro at LoL like you are but it doesn't seem like every champion in LoL was made to be perfect. There were so many people complaining that Sona's kit was alright, Taric's didn't need to change, Nidalee would never be the same after her kit change. They don't seem to understand how powerful some champs are. I went 12/3 with Zed in my first time vs a person maining their champion. Some champs need a nerf here or there. (Please also, nerf Quinn. I win so much as her. Her power is too much).

PureIronJustice1 votes

True that brother, Quinn definitely needs a nerf. xD Hell all you need to do is Blind your opponent, jump at them and then away while slowing them down. Gain super fast speed with her ult and then shoot a ton of feathers in a large radius while keeping distance and pretty much having 100% chance of escape and kite ability.

Worgslarg1 votes

Consider this. If he misses his hook, or morgana shield, or yasuo wall, all he has of any importance in fights is his ult, and a single target knockup.

Thresh has flay, lantern, and the box all if he misses his hook.

Rew7111 votes

Then deal with it. That means you either need more practice or they have good dodges.

Thresh is a support, and his hook doesn't even fling out as fast as Blitzcrank's Rocket Grab and doesn't do the same amount of damage. Those abilities are made though with nerfs themselves. Yasuo's wend wall use to have a passive and Morgana's shield only shield's from certain abilities (and takes the damage from AP). The other abilities if played right will be OP anyway without the Q. The R, itself, deals too much damage for a tank. And consider this, no other Tank (or Champion while we're at it) can deal this much damage without additional AP or AD. Do not be like this. This is sad. You are defending something so broken that from this comment, I think it was you who down-voted this thread.

Also, Blitzcrank's abilities give 100% AP of his current AP. Just this kit itself in landing a Q+E+R+W would instantly kill any champion coming in width of Blitzcrank.

Worgslarg1 votes

His ratios are very high, but take a look at ap tristana, ap xin. Then you can see an op off-build.

Because blitzcrank's most meaningful ability is his hook, and the rest pale in comparison, he needs a larger kit rework than just numbers balance.

PureIronJustice1 votes

You're going off of speculation, you aren't considering any factors what so ever except for what you've had to faced. Why exactly are you targeting blitzcrank for? His abilities are fine, and only a small quantity of players actually ever build him AP. Its not a big deal for Riot to be concerned about. Late game an AP build is entirely useless, unless build ahead of everyone else. You need to stop looking at the stats, then making assumptions like you know what you are talking about. Play through experience, play blitzcrank for a few years, test out every build possible until you start winning every game and its because you were carrying the team with blitzcrank. You can't judge a champ without knowing a champ out on the field of league of legends. You only speculate what you see in action when you play against an opponent, other than that. That's all you've got to work with. So before you continue to bad mouth Blitzcrank in any way what so ever, buy him, try him out, play him everyday until you know exactly how blitzcrank works, what makes him good and what makes him able to kick butt and defeat opponents. Either by himself sololy or with a team mate bottom.

Dicerson1 votes

Although this has brought up, in my opinion, a number of damage issues with blitzcrank (as many of these things are from a time when riot balanced a champions damage potential by making his abilities scale of of AP "cough" Sion's stun "cough"), the mechanics of it, the AS boost, the pull, etc. are not all that OP. I dodge blitzcrank pulls on a regular basis, and without that massive displacement blitzcrank can hardly do much else other than deal an ok amount of damage to one guy and knock them up, and an ok amount of damage in a rather large area.

In my opinion, Riot has far bigger fish to fry.

Rew7111 votes

There are so many champions that got larger scaled nerfs that before they did, would make this kit seem average. There are so many reasons why his rocket grab should get a nerf. There are those who have perfected the grab to get those hiding or just getting further away. Only Yasuo, Sivir, Fizz, and Morgana might be able to get away from it. And that is out of 121 champions. You want to talk about these new fixes as a good thing but are either afraid of the nerf or just don't want to be rid of a OP champ that doesn't take too long to master. No other tank puts out this much damage. Not Rammus or Galio. And they use AP as well. Blitzcrank's cool down for the dumb ultimate seems faster than any others. His mana cost is lower than most others and deals more damage than those. His Q is a lot like Malzahar's Q, and I would be ok with it if there was at least one of these few things. Longer wait until the hand is fired. +10 mana cost. Less AP bonus. Something. The ultimate only needs a warning before the ultimate is done. Like Blitzcrank starts overheating for 2 seconds then fires that large ultimate.

PureIronJustice1 votes

If you think Blitzcrank's cooldown is fast for his ult you are high, its not. Plus other champs have pretty much the same cooldowns, some even get their ults up right away if they get kills. Blitzcranks cooldown takes precision and timing. If you use it right away its useless if you let it stay up while you fight it's useful! And why would it need a warning are you just looking for an excuse to complain about one of the most balanced champs in the game. Honestly, if there was a warning for when he was about to use his ult then he would be useless and if anything the warning already exists. The moment you see Blitzcrank full of static eletricity, you know his ult is up. Your warning is there, pay attention and stop complaining to Riot and to the league community about Blitzcrank, please. Nothing is wrong with him, you need to just learn to beat him or work with your team to shut him down because once you team up against blitzcrank he is done for. No matter how good a player is, blitzcrank can only have single targets, two people on him with enough cc will eventually kill him very easily. He's not exactly overpowered at all. He's just useful with the abilities he has.

CIamSlam1 votes

Dodge the grab, problem solved.

Marthian2 votes

Even so, it's still one of the most (if not THE most) punishing skills to get hit by if you get unlucky. Can't dodge if you're stunned, slows help a lot, and movement predicting is a thing too.

HigeR1 votes

uhm I think you're onto something, the other day a blitz seemed to simply walk up to me, and proceed to melt me ._. of course he was fed and conditions were on his favor (whole team initiated on enemy's ADC leaving me, tristana completely alone) he built mostly tank with no AP items and I was very impressed to see a blitz playing like this, he saved his knockup for when I tried to jump since his Q doesn't cancels Trist's jump anymore it was really great to see honestly, he had ignite as well so his whole combo did around 1000 dmg.

I don't think he needs much nerfs though, getting blitz to bring out his OP side is not that easy. I assumed in that game that I got outplayed and nothing else but yeah perhaps 300 dmg on his Q is far too much.

PureIronJustice1 votes

Its not a lot, consider the cooldown of his Q. If he doesn't get much cooldown reduction it takes about 15-18 seconds until he'll be able to use it again? A lot can happen in 15-18 seconds, a fight could be finished in less than that. Think about it before you make an assumption like that. Its fair to have it as 300 because you hardly ever use it. If anything you use it ONCE then start to fight, an then there is the possibility you miss and if you miss then its gone for its cooldown. 300 is decent, its fair, its not that good and it all depends on the player. If he can time a grab, predict the movement, can anticipate his opponents next move. Everything is a factor. Remember that, blitzcrank isn't as easy as people make him out to be. 1000 damage is nothing. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, I'm just trying to say that its not too much, its just right.

PureIronJustice1 votes

Blitzcrank isn't overpowered at all, he doesn't need any changes. For crying out loud THEY NERFED HIM! Why on earth would they nerf him?! The last time they did anything to Blitzcrank it was to decrease his starting health because people kept complaining it was too high early game and later on with all these new champs they decided to make their health even higher than blitzcranks, even though blitzcrank is a tank! And most of the new champs aren't. If anything needs to be done to blitzcrank its a stat upgrade. His abilities are fine, it all depends on how you build blitzcrank that will determine how he'll play out in a game. I've been playing Blitzcrank for years since season 1 and a lot has changed since then. But the one thing that hasn't changed is blitzcranks abilities. A couple bugs fixed here and there, but all is fine as it is. If anything a couple awesome looking skins are in order but that's about it. You need to understand how people build blitzcrank, his grab is weak if people only use it to grab while they continue to buff up w and e, usually for players focusing on being tanks or ad cranks, if the player is going straight ability power then worry about the grab either way Blitzcrank is really easy to dodge. You definitely need help if you can't avoid the most straight forward grab, you must learn to anticipate it. Force a blitzcrank to grab you then run to the side. Use minions because as a blitzcrank player believe me grabbing players is not easy, you have so many obstacles and you must worry about timing or whether or not a grab will be the end of you or the success of you. All I'm saying is don't complain about Blitzcrank and ask for BALANCE because honestly there are far more champs that need to be so called balanced. Nasus, Quinn, etc etc...

PureIronJustice1 votes

Don't complain about blitzcrank if you don't understand him at all. Early game is slow, your fighting capability is so far off from anyone else you need to think before you act. His cooldowns aren't that low either and the fact that blitzcrank has barrier and actually needs mana to make his barrier any useful is the reason why Riot made blitzcrank the way he is, why his spells have a straight cost because it makes it balanced for blitzcrank. It allows consistency of his abilities and without them blitzcrank would be broken in a bad way, an in playable way.

7ha7guy7771 votes

possibly little known fact, Zyra's plants block blitz grabs

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