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I miss teambuilder

Koechophe··47 votes·2,355 views

Don't get me wrong; dynamic draft is, in my opinion, a huge step forward for ranked gameplay. I still question the whole premade situation, and the queues seem really long, but as a whole, solidifying roles before the match starts makes the ranked experience a lot better, in my opinion.

But I still don't like the fact that teambuilder was removed. The thing I loved about teambuilder was that I could select a champ and a role before hand, and KNOW that, eventually, I'd get to play it. Now, I feel just as likely to get my secondary role, and if I want to play a popular champion, there's no garuntee that it'll still be available (it could've gotten picked or banned). I used teambuilder to practice champs I was bad at and get better, or else just to play games for fun and pick whatever the crap I wanted. I get why this new dynamic draft replaced regular draft and ranked draft, but why did it have to replace Teambuilder too? I find myself not wanting to play, because I can't hop into queue with my champ of choice like I could in TB.

23 Comments

Snowdrift8 votes

Super frustrating for me as well. I'm an adc main first and support second, I've gotten a lot of my secondary choice with the new system and with the pick/ban thing... I always cross my fingers that I'll get to play some MF to get her to mastery 5... I've been able to get her twice out of maybe 6 games I managed to get adc? Always pick or ban...

Nogrim6 votes

agree. i'm the same way, TB was all i have played since it was added, now that its gone im not really interested in playing. there is only about 10-15 champs i don't have unlocked (been around since season 1) so i usually decide what i want to play before i even look for a queue, now i spend 10 minutes waiting to get in to a match just to have my champ banned or picked by someone else, at which point my options are dodge, or spend the next 25-30 minutes playing something i didnt want to. almost every time this has happened i just force quit out and find something else to do. i would rather not play than be forced to play a role champ that im not good with at or am just not feeling at the time.

Deáth by Snu Snu5 votes

I'm honestly so turned off by the new que that I'm probably going to quit until they bring back TB for casual players...

Moei4 votes

I haven't played since they took away team builder. Not going to until they bring it back either. If they don't well... good bye it was fun

Dabluechimp1 votes

Yeah, I want to play with my friends, but 3 in 4 matches are just hell to go through

Valheeru1 votes

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agree. i'm the same way, TB was all i have played since it was added, now that its gone im not really interested in playing. there is only about 10-15 champs i don't have unlocked (been around since season 1) so i usually decide what i want to play before i even look for a queue, now i spend 10 minutes waiting to get in to a match just to have my champ banned or picked by someone else, at which point my options are dodge, or spend the next 25-30 minutes playing something i didnt want to. almost every time this has happened i just force quit out and find something else to do. i would rather not play than be forced to play a role champ that im not good with at or am just not feeling at the time.

people hate being bullied and riot trying to force this down the throat will cost them at the end, Teambuilder was a freedom of choice and role and it seems we have gone from democracy to communism

Little Wolf6 votes

Team Builder was the only place I could learn new champions or strategies without risking ruining someone else's game. I've been away from League for a while and now I feel very discouraged to queue because I'm only confident on one or two champions anymore >: I think having a safe and fun environment to practice in was the biggest advantage of Team Builder. That and always getting your role, of course.

Winters Dawn1 votes

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Team Builder was the only place I could learn new champions or strategies without risking ruining someone else's game. I've been away from League for a while and now I feel very discouraged to queue because I'm only confident on one or two champions anymore >: I think having a safe and fun environment to practice in was the biggest advantage of Team Builder. That and always getting your role, of course.

play a custom game??? this new system you get to choose what role you pref and no one can threaten "mid or feed" ect.. why are league players so against change?

vinyl scratch8086 votes

As someone who has played blind/draft/team builder i loved team builder. i pretty much played only blind till i got to around level 25. pretty much all my time playing blind was with toxic people and for the most part the toxic players would make me feel terrible (as someone who suffers depression this really made my time playing any game in blind pick miserable) once i found out about team builder i really started to have fun. i got to play pretty much the very few characters i am decent/good with which is all support characters. i got along with pretty much all my teammates and even had enjoyable conversations while playing. most of the time if i was on the losing side of a the match i was still able to have a good time with my team. wining wasn't the main focus. it was having fun.

blind and draft forces me to play with the people who made league of legends a terrible experience for me. also being more of a casual playing myself team builder was just a much more enjoyable experience for me. i do not have all the time to learn to play handfuls of characters, and with team builder it allowed me to play exactly what i wanted. if i am just playing 1-2 games a day it was nice to play exactly what i wanted. the queue time was never an issue with me, and if my teammates and i had a long wait time we normally just talked or i would just use the wait time to get other things done.

it doesn't bother me if riot wants to test out the new character selection with draft pick. do what ever you want, go crazy with it haha. but i don't see why riot had to get rid of team builder altogether. team builder was never hurting anyone to my knowledge but to my knowledge i think the player base for team builder was quite strong. there isn't any reason the new character selection and team builder cant co-exists i think, but like i said before, i think its unreasonable to get ride of team builder altogether.

Koechophe5 votes

  1. Custom games, where you play against bots, are not a good format for improvement of champion skills. Bots are simply not good enough to help you improve when you play against them.

  2. Players oppose this not because new draft is bad, but because it doesn't replace the things teambuilder did, and we miss teambuilder.

zacktootall2 votes

yes the "choose what role you pref" is great but i want the choose that champ i pref aswell

Iridithe1 votes

He said he likes the new dynamic que, there was just no point in taking away teambuilder. 90% of the time I get on league is becuase randomly while playing wow ill be like huh, I really wanna play ashe right now. But whenever I get on the game anymore I always get my sescondary pick and can never get on to play the char I want. Teambuilder was just a good thing to have around, they took something out for basically no reason at all.

Boyjorsy5 votes

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IVE READ IN THIS POST AND HAVE MADE MY OWN DISCUSSION! PLEASE BRING BACK TEAMBUILDER RIOT! YOU DIDN'T UNINSTALL IT FROM OUR COMPUTERS, JUST THREW THE OPTION IN THE POTENTIAL QUES!

Trashlord Kayden3 votes

team builder is actually coming back later in an updated fashion. a rioter said that team builder was the best thing and they couldn't get rid of it.

MrCleanSanchez3 votes

I play duo bot with a friend on teamspeak alot, but now we can't lane together. Rarely do we each get out primary picks. I guess riot hates the power of friendship :(

MartianGlob2 votes

I found my matches to be very one-sided and unbalanced. anyone else? I feel like this new system is a step in right direction, but still has many kinks and nuances to fix before ranked play.

3ofGot40ve2 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/VmrWRHAl-online-petition-bring-back-teambuilder

Glovely2 votes

I understand what the goal of Dynamic Queue was. I understand how it works, and that there are several advantages to having it the way it is. I do not, however, think it justifies the removal of Team Builder.

The main issue with the removal of Team Builder is the removal of the ability to play what you want, with who you want, who is also playing what they want. As an example, a friend of mine and I like to duo in the bot lane together because we've spent a lot of time learning each other's playstyles, working with what champions the other likes to play, etc. In Team Builder, we could walk in, party up, choose Marksman Bot and Support Bot with whatever champions we wanted to play and learn, and then play with those champions in those positions. When we tried to do so in the dynamic queue, out of the first 5 games we played, we managed to grab the bot lane once, and even then, we didn't get to play what we wanted due to the bans.

In Draft or Blind Pick, you don't/didn't always get the position you wanted, or champion for that matter, but people were generally willing, from what I saw, to allow a duo to lane together because players who know each other well enough to feel good duo queuing together will typically do better than a pair of guys who've never played a match together in their life.

Dynamic Queue is supposed to emphasize team play, and it's a great way for random solos to communicate with each other, but when I play with friends or want to practice my Bard play against actual players without going into ranked or potentially not getting support, it doesn't fill my needs as a player. That's why I want Team Builder (and for the same reasons, Duo Queue) back.

As a side note that I also feel is worth mentioning, Team Builder was also the best place to go when you wanted to try something off-meta, like Vi Support or Jungle Ahri. Between the longer queue times and Pick Intent being a double-edged sword in that people can choose to dodge and cause you to wait because they didn't like your off-meta pick, meaning if you want to play something unusual, you essentially have to lie about your pick, which isn't promoting good team play either.

Toa Innodence1 votes

my gripe exactly.

Tl;dr: New select is a step up from draft. but tb was a step up from blind pick. both had their place in league and shouldn't have been presumed as overlap.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

Aren't they making a new team builder?

Only Play Darius1 votes

Teambuilder was how I got good with Nasus Yasuo. Knowing that I would 100% be able to play them every game, in the lane they were meant for, I was able to practice effectively. Now you can't do that anymore

WolfBV1 votes

So many dodges in a row.

MrWizard00221 votes

Completely agree. While the new dynamic queue is better than the old draft mode in a lot of ways (in theory at least... in practice, it means if you want to duo bot with someone, you have to roll two dice and pray they sync up), it is NOT good enough to justify removing TeamBuilder. Though it did have its problems, TeamBuilder is still the better game mode.

TeamBuilder was the only mode in which I was 100% guaranteed to be allowed to play the champ I wanted to play and the role I wanted to play. I couldn't get that in old draft mode, and I can't get that in the new dynamic queue. Also, in my experience, the new primary and secondary position choice system is fucked, because I've been slapped with my secondary choice in more than half of the games I've played since the new queue came out. My secondary choice means "If there really are no teams out there looking for a jungler, and I have to wait for five solid minutes without finding a match, then I GUESS I would be ok with playing mid instead". It does NOT mean "I'm just as ok with playing mid as I am with playing jungle, if not more so". If that WERE the case, I would just fill. But for some reason, Riot seems to have taken it the second way...

I also can't kick trolls/assholes from the lobby in dynamic queue, and I can't leave a team full of trolls and assholes to (hopefully) find a new, nicer, better team without facing huge queue dodge time penalties. And yes, I'll wait that 5 or 20 minutes to find a new team if it means I'm not forced to play with a bunch of abusive pricks for 20 minutes or more. Thus, Riot's argument about the new dynamic queue reducing queue times was a total lie. Taking dodge penalties into account, along with the ridiculously slow pick and ban phase (and the fact that any one person leaving or forgetting to lock in their ban/champ totally resets the process), it takes wayyyyyy longer to get into a game now than it ever did with TeamBuilder.

After TeamBuilder came out, outside of ranked, it became the only game mode in League I ever played (And I, like many others, was secretly hoping for ranked TeamBuilder someday). Now that it's gone, after 3 solid years of play, I'm seriously considering quitting the game. By removing TeamBuilder, Riot has removed any and all fun there was to be had in their game. If they really are a company that cares about their players and making their game an enjoyable experience for those players, as they so often claim to be, then they'll listen to what their players are saying and bring TeamBuilder back. It won't cost them anything to do so, as there was no reason to remove TeamBuilder in the first place, the people who like the new dynamic queue can still have it, and they'll make a ton of players, casual or otherwise, very happy.

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