Why is it ok for Annie to have absolutely no counterplay?

Nausicäa ··9 votes·4,372 views

Its pretty stupid that she is allowed to hold on to her stun forever. Why is there no time limit on this?

Not even going to get into how she can literally flash 1 combo you at full HP even without DFG and basically no items.

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BakedLotion5 votes

I'll fix her for you

Q is now a skillshot, that can pass through 2 units. If she kills two units, she gets 10 mana back. Her W cooldown is reduced, but deals 20 less base dmg. This is because we think she'll have too much mana to spend and spam w from her Q. E is unchanged, possible nerfs because of the INSANE Q changes. R now has a .75 second delay, because it has no counterplay. And since her Q now gives extra mana, she can spam it more often, so we're making it cost 50 more mana and lower the ratio by 20% ap.

Retillin1 votes

Love it! Hope it gets locked in soon!

stuartk112 votes

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I'll fix her for you

Q is now a skillshot, that can pass through 2 units. If she kills two units, she gets 10 mana back. Her W cooldown is reduced, but deals 20 less base dmg. This is because we think she'll have too much mana to spend and spam w from her Q. E is unchanged, possible nerfs because of the INSANE Q changes. R now has a .75 second delay, because it has no counterplay. And since her Q now gives extra mana, she can spam it more often, so we're making it cost 50 more mana and lower the ratio by 20% ap.

lol. Had me laughing for a solid minute and broke my headset.

Direwolfiez3 votes

Hey, hey, her R needs warning particles to go with that .75 sec delay. It's not fair to everyone unless they know exactly the moment they'll be nuked so they can make up for their poor positioning with blinks/dashes.

http://chatslang.com/images/shortcuts/twitch/admins/kappa.png

redniwediS4 votes

Just because you can't see the counterplay doesn't mean there is none.

Direwolfiez3 votes

"But if I can't blink out, there's no counterplay!"

I swear to God, this game is no longer about tactics, it's just about mobility, bursting and twitch reflexes. Most champs have 1 build with 2 swap-in items, generally the same skill order every game, and tactics right now boils down to who can get Dragon the most times while not dying in teamfights, and yet people laugh at me when I say I only play ARAM games anymore.

Zarxis3 votes

Her W and ultimate are [technically] skillshots [that require little to no aiming whatsoever].

Dreadlocks1 votes

Her E is a shield, Pretty sure there is no aiming involved. lol

Zarxis1 votes

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Her E is a shield, Pretty sure there is no aiming involved. lol

Fixed.

DestructoDave3 votes

You know whats really fun? Annie/Graves Bot lane. She just hoops around with stun twirling around for 6 lvls and then flash gibs you with graves.

disregardable2 votes

She has absolutely no range, and she absolutely has a visible indicator on her stun. Can you get flash QWER'd? yeah, yeah you can. Now, who else can do that again? Ahri Akali Fizz Kassadin Katarina Leblanc Lissandra Syndra Talon Yasuo Zed

Pucking Purrfect2 votes

Annie no range?

Also remove Akali Fizz Yasuo from that list.

Yolio3 votes

Annie's auto range out classes all adcs except cait and kogmaw (with his w). her autos are at a 625 range (which is way too much). All of her spells have a 625 range excluding her ult which has a 600 range which also outclasses most adcs. Annie is actually not a short range burst mage she is a medium-long burst mage and its really over powered its the reason she is banned in almost every challenger game... her base damage is sub par but she makes up for it with insane scaling on all of her abilities (q is 80% w is 85% and r is also 80%) I say either change her kit to add counterplay or make her an actual short range burst mage... like make her abilities cast range maybe 525... its a big nerf but she needs it.

Retillin1 votes

You want the truth? She's has a "flashy" stun on her ult. That's it. The whole reason.

Epicusmaximo1 votes

Her stun needs to decrease over time, her ult also needs to be veigared

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