[suggestion] Make Shen ultimate shield scale with HP

redfeenix·Aug 24, 2016·3 votes·542 views

Hey guys. With all these Shen nerfs going on I though about how we could counter it by buffing some other aspects of his kit.

I instantly thought of his ultimate and that weird AP ratios that it scales with.

I propose that building health on Shen should slightly increase the value of the shield he gives when he ults. Nothing too OP maybe like 1 extra hp of shield per 100 bonus hp ? ( That might be too low. I'm not a a balancer sorry I don't know what good numbers are).

But what do you guys think. Honestly I feel like it makes sense thematically that building health will provide your allies with a larger shield. This may also make support Shen a little more viable.

So you think this is a good idea? Or should he continue to scale his ultimate with AP?

Post your thoughts below. Thanks!

14 Comments

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

I'm curious to know what you guys think. Is this too much of a buff to Shen ( getting rewarded for building hp)? Or is it better than having AP ratios

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

This would actually force nerfs onto him because as a tank his main resource to increase is his health. Giving that ultimate (which is and has been the main reason why Shen is ever banned) would make his shield way to powerful on its own.

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

Right that why I suggested this since they're about to gut his q damage for worlds.

If they wanna nerf his offensive maybe they wanna buff his defense / utility

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

The problem is that his defense utility is already really good.

The best part of Shen's kit is often what leads to his solo presence suffering. Honestly if the ult was on a support then I doubt they'd be hit this hard.

But Shen isn't a support that babysits one person for a laning phase. He's a tank that watches over everyone on his team.

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

But it looks like they may be trying to push Shen out of top and into support.

First they're nerfing his only offensive ability by a large margin. That leaves how e and e which are god tier skills in the 2 v2 bot Lane.

I think support Shen could see a comeback if they provide slightly more incentive.

But taunting and w the enemy ADC would result in winning trades most of the time...if he doesn't perform well in top I'm sure some teams may consider taking him as support

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

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But it looks like they may be trying to push Shen out of top and into support.

First they're nerfing his only offensive ability by a large margin. That leaves how e and e which are god tier skills in the 2 v2 bot Lane.

I think support Shen could see a comeback if they provide slightly more incentive.

But taunting and w the enemy ADC would result in winning trades most of the time...if he doesn't perform well in top I'm sure some teams may consider taking him as support

Don't you ever say that to me about a top lane tank that was primarily made for top lane.

I don't care if it may be true, I refuse to believe that Riot would support a philosophy that tanks should just support.

Shen is also way too reliant on his own positioning to support imo.

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

Fair enough but they've done this with Leona and taric. Slowly but surely remove their 1 v1 strengths and force them to interact with allies for optimal performance. (Leona passive, taric w etc)

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

Except Taric was mainly designed to support and is balanced around that.

And at this point, Leona's primary role is support.

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

Yes but technically if you search support during champ select, you will not find leona.

Shes in fact considered a tank.

I would greatly appreciate some buffs to make her viable again in top lane. She is supposed to be a fucking buriser. I want her to be fighting sword and shield vs Irelia, Jax Illaoi and other top tier bruisers. Thats what her thematic calls for

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

I see her in support when I look it up.

Plus her thematic is about protecting people (more or less).

redfeenixAug 24, 20161 votes

Hmm they musta changed it.

Ah I'm not sure about her lore, I always thought she was more of a juggernaught than a support tbh.

A tanky cc bot which draws enemies attention.

Thanks for this conversation was certainly interesting [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

RalanrAug 24, 20161 votes

Just remember that juggernauts are meant to lack CC (despite Sion's title, he's more tank than juggernaut).

And likewise.