Did anyone else notice the Cassiopea E range nerf on the pbe?

xxxMadLionxxx·Apr 22, 2016·12 votes·6,351 views

Its not on surrender@20, but Cass E is now the same range as her auto attack. It went from 700 to 550 range.

Did anyone else notice that?

15 Comments

RiotMeddlerApr 22, 20169 votes

We're changing Cass's E range to measure from the edge of her model to the edge of the target's, rather than going from the center of each. That's being done because we want to sync its range up with her auto attacks (550 'range') and auto attacks are all edge to edge. A 550 edge to edge range is generally equivalent to around a 650-675 range center to center range, so this is a nerf to Cass's E but much smaller than it appears on paper.

xxxMadLionxxxApr 22, 201611 votes

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We're changing Cass's E range to measure from the edge of her model to the edge of the target's, rather than going from the center of each. That's being done because we want to sync its range up with her auto attacks (550 'range') and auto attacks are all edge to edge. A 550 edge to edge range is generally equivalent to around a 650-675 range center to center range, so this is a nerf to Cass's E but much smaller than it appears on paper.

Thanks for responding. I mean the way to make it sound is that it works out to the same thing....but I notice it which means it is different and it feels like less range

I've been testing old cass and new cass, and overall, I feel like new does less damage, and is less reliable. I know her W has this great grounded CC, but the lack of range control make it hard to use. And it feels like the rest of her kit was nerfed for this new mechanic.

Also, her ult has like a 20-30% chance to stun. This is because of both the delay and the fact that enemies have to literally be facing Cass directly.

IDK....I like the new ideas for Cass, but it feel like it is off a bit.

NαgmaApr 23, 20164 votes

sad that you dont realise how huge this nerf is .

CanastusApr 23, 201611 votes

Why on earth do you keep nerfing her? This rework was supposed to make her a more viable pick and you're trying your hardest to NOT do that. If you have a problem with her kit being too oppressive, you NEED to consider a full rework on her instead of this half-hearted project. Go all the way, give her the Sion treatment.

This rework isn't going to change her situation at all, infact it's making her defenses even worse since she can't use her W anymore to slow down or poison anyone who's in her face. And don't even think about using her ultimate, the thing is still extremely delayed and even had its slow reduced for NO apparent reason (down from 60% to 40% now), do you want her to remain unplayable in this mobility creep infested meta where every assassin can simply jump on her head to evade her hitbox entirely?

She'll be even worse at dealing with slippery opponents now since her only way of even hitting them was her Miasma, now it's just an extremely unreliable ability with a fixed range that goes way beyond the reach of her other abilities. There's zero synergy in that. And don't expect her to hit anyone with her delayed Q if their name is Yasuo, Ekko, Zed, LeBlanc, Ahri, Fizz, etc.

xxxMadLionxxxApr 23, 20162 votes

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Why on earth do you keep nerfing her? This rework was supposed to make her a more viable pick and you're trying your hardest to NOT do that. If you have a problem with her kit being too oppressive, you NEED to consider a full rework on her instead of this half-hearted project. Go all the way, give her the Sion treatment.

This rework isn't going to change her situation at all, infact it's making her defenses her worse since she can't use her W anymore to slow down or poison anyone who's in her face. And don't even think about using her ultimate, the thing is still extremely delayed and even had its slow reduced for NO apparent reason (down from 60% to 40% now), do you want her to remain unplayable in this mobility creep infested meta where every assassin can simply jump on her head to evade her hitbox entirely while erasing her instantly?

She'll be even worse at dealing with slippery opponents now since her only way of even hitting them was her Miasma, now it's just an extremely unreliable ability with a fixed range that goes way beyond the reach of her other abilities. There's zero synergy in that. And don't expect her to hit anyone with her delayed Q if their name is Yasuo, Ekko, Zed, LeBlanc, Ahri, Fizz, etc.

it's like you have no choice but to buy item 3116 just to be decent. However, with the changes to her E, I want cdr to make it decent. It's like her requirements went from just needed mana, to needing mana, cdr, and slow control.

Sgt SoleTeaMay 3, 20162 votes

Exactly !!!!!!! Agree with everything you said. Riot... you should stop enforcing meta.

Teridax68Apr 23, 20164 votes

Is there a particular reason why there are so many other targeted spells whose range is calculated center-to-center, rather than edge-to-edge? Every time a spell's targeting gets switched to edge-to-edge it's usually for greater clarity and better sync with that players are seeing, so why not make every targeted spell edge-to-edge? What would be the downside to such a change?

CanastusMay 11, 20161 votes

So how does it feel to know that you've been wrong from the beginning and contributed to one of the worst guttings this game has seen so far?

Meowstic FApr 23, 20163 votes

Yeah I really didn't get the point of this "rework".

W has a fixed range that has no synergy whatsoever with the rest of her kit.

THey should change it that way ( @Meddler @RiotRepertoir ) : On the pbe, her W has a fixed range unless it hits the terrain (let's say a wall) which makes the pools fall in front of the wall. Give the W the same interaction with champions : if a champion is in the way of the W, make the W fall at the feet of said champion(s). (like fizz Ultimate).

THIS will help her A LOT.

Moulin RougeApr 22, 20161 votes

Its the price she pays for her constant 1 sec CD e. They made her mechanics much more forgiving but pf course they have to take it from somewhere.

Krys StarApr 22, 20162 votes

Her 1s E does little damage, unless the target is poisoned however, so...

NαgmaApr 23, 20166 votes

cassio is more punishing because she has NO PANIC POISON anymore , her w is a fixed range . if you fcked up Q you have no dmg , same as live . this nerf has no sens