does anyone else find nasus to be overbearing to handle right now?

Moonfall Saber·Jan 13, 2018·52 votes·3,970 views

Like I just played a game with a nasus on my team holding his own against a riven at level 2... Why is nasus so strong early all of a sudden

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Râmmus BotJan 13, 201837 votes

I enjoy getting run down by a unstoppable tank that does a thousand damage a Q on a 2 second cooldown while being mass slowed though

SpiritusJan 13, 20184 votes

Totally agree. When his wither is maxed, don't think you can outrun it because he will already have another one to throw at you (If you survive his barrage of Q's). summoner 6

Râmmus BotJan 13, 20187 votes

Of course we cant forget that he heals for all of his health with a single Q or two

VesemirJan 14, 20183 votes

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Of course we cant forget that he heals for all of his health with a single Q or two

item 3123 stop crying and learn to counterbuild. And dont expect to hold the lane after 20 min. Thats not how you play against Nasus.

TheThundersRoarJan 14, 20181 votes

Excuse me? You get a whole 1.05s downtime between withers!

One point zero five seconds!

CheezinasusJan 19, 20181 votes

That's at max rank and cooldown reduction. Nasus players with a lot of experience max E second, meaning it doesn't reach that cooldown until level 18. If he is maxing W second, find a counter-strategy - for example, his waveclear will be slow without points in E, so his splitpush will also be slow, giving you time to go fight 5v4 on the map elsewhere, instead of taking a fatal duel against him.

TheThundersRoarJan 20, 20181 votes

I was making a joke but apparently humor does not propagate well through the salt in this board.

Anyway, you did give me an interesting idea with maxing E second for waveclear, usually I'm a Q>W>E player.

I'll try it when I next play Nasus.

VesemirJan 14, 20182 votes

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Totally agree. When his wither is maxed, don't think you can outrun it because he will already have another one to throw at you (If you survive his barrage of Q's).

You dont fight him alone. You CC him.

The Great DivideJan 14, 20181 votes

inb4 "HUR DUR NASUS NOT A TANK, N00B"

VesemirJan 14, 20184 votes

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inb4 "HUR DUR NASUS NOT A TANK, N00B"

well he is not. I think you actually are a noob if you dont know that. Malphite, Amumu, Rammus etc.. are tanks. Trundle,Fiora,Nasus,Yorick etc.. are juggernauts and bruisers. Tell me what is the difference between a tank and a juggernaut/bruiser now. Maybe you can process it.

VesemirJan 14, 20182 votes

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I enjoy getting run down by a unstoppable tank that does a thousand damage a Q on a 2 second cooldown while being mass slowed though

Maybe get a item 3123 ? It costs 800. He is not a tank. He is a JUGGERNAUT. I thought people knew the difference between them.

Râmmus BotJan 15, 20181 votes

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Maybe get a ? It costs 800. He is not a tank. He is a JUGGERNAUT. I thought people knew the difference between them.

The difference between a tank and a juggernaut is that juggernauts also deal mass damage. Taking a look over the thread i see how hellbent you are in your ways of thinking so i wont even bother anymore

Hyp3rfocusJan 13, 201828 votes

Why is Nasus so strong right now and not being taken care of, you ask?

https://imgur.com/1wO5qTc

Wînter FoxJan 13, 201818 votes

Nasus no longer has a weakness. His CDs are short, he has no mana problems anymore, and he no longer has to rely on a lot of stacks to actually deal damage. All he has to do is grab Klepto and "survive" until level 2

Z3SleeperJan 14, 201810 votes

Alot of people don't realize that he doesn't need stacks to function. He is literally "Trinity Force, the champion". Stacks are only a minor damage increase compared to his base damage + Q base damage + Triforce.

MarshbouyJan 14, 20185 votes

Stacks are only a minor damage increase compared to his base damage

By the time a Nasus finishes tri force he ususally has around 300 stacks. That's 300 damage.

That's not a "minor increase in damage." It only gets worse from there.

CheezinasusJan 19, 20181 votes

Depending on which runes you take, Nasus can still struggle with mana. Let's say Kleptomancy and the Coin line get nerfed soon - after all, those are what are imbalancing him right now - and Nasuses start maining Grasp more. At that point, he only gets one of either Biscuits or Manaflow Band (if he even takes those trees). His base mana regen isn't good and he doesn't naturally build any mana regen (a stat mostly only found on enchanter items). One of Nasus' biggest struggles with extended fights is going OOM. He needs another mana item in addition to Sheen just to have a big enough pool to sustain on the map.

In the old rune system, Meditation gave him enough mana regen to have nearly 100% uptime on his Q. Now, if he runs out, he could be standing around for ~5 seconds before being able to throw out another Q, let alone cast anything else.

The time to go in and fight a Nasus is when he's low mana (25% or less). He's surprisingly weak without it compared to more AA-reliant fighters.

IvernBramblefootJan 13, 201817 votes

this should be nasus's splash art

https://bigdogs.blob.core.windows.net/imgprod/category_417x348/1102-0895-026_1.jpg

DreadlocksJan 13, 20187 votes

Because Late game no longer exists ^^ so Riot made him not dogshit useless.

koshkyraJan 13, 201813 votes

dogshit

Nasus

Jet SettJan 14, 20184 votes

Nasus was never a late game champion, he's an amazing mid game champion. Late game the ADC gets their armor pen, their QSS, their lifesteal. Late game the support has items to save their team and enhance the ADC. Nasus gets kited into oblivion against a proper late game. Mid game however he's almost unstoppable.

MarshbouyJan 14, 20185 votes

This. This x100 I'm so tired of people saying "Nasus is no longer late game!" because he never fucking was. Especially now that CDR is on a lot of items and tanks, supports, mages, and ADCs all have short enough cooldowns to CC lock him or dodge him.

When you play nasus you need to get as many stacks as you can in a short period of time, fuck up your laner, take tower, then start to push like a god and hope you end before you fall off.

sddghyufjasdklhuJan 13, 20187 votes

I have 500k mastery on riven, and a nasus can fuck me up level 6. Before then if he doesnt get a gank, hes my bitch though. After he gets sheen I afk the lane or I go to pressure mid. By that time he can 2-3 shot me and I cant even run away. His buff to his ult is ridiculous. If i was able to secure a kill or 2 on him pre-6, then I can kind of hold my own for awhile. Just need to buy like 2 life steal items, 1 needs to be bork. Its pretty ridiculous to deal with him right now. And then the resolve tree change buffed him even more. I hope they revert or at least nerf his ult.

ApocalypsicJan 13, 20189 votes

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I have 500k mastery on riven, and a nasus can fuck me up level 6. Before then if he doesnt get a gank, hes my bitch though. After he gets sheen I afk the lane or I go to pressure mid. By that time he can 2-3 shot me and I cant even run away. His buff to his ult is ridiculous. If i was able to secure a kill or 2 on him pre-6, then I can kind of hold my own for awhile. Just need to buy like 2 life steal items, 1 needs to be bork. Its pretty ridiculous to deal with him right now. And then the resolve tree change buffed him even more. I hope they revert or at least nerf his ult.

I have 1.5 million mastery on Riven and I permaban Nasus.

VesemirJan 14, 20182 votes

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I have 500k mastery on riven, and a nasus can fuck me up level 6. Before then if he doesnt get a gank, hes my bitch though. After he gets sheen I afk the lane or I go to pressure mid. By that time he can 2-3 shot me and I cant even run away. His buff to his ult is ridiculous. If i was able to secure a kill or 2 on him pre-6, then I can kind of hold my own for awhile. Just need to buy like 2 life steal items, 1 needs to be bork. Its pretty ridiculous to deal with him right now. And then the resolve tree change buffed him even more. I hope they revert or at least nerf his ult.

Then you are just bad. Riven is a lane bully. You should all in at level 3 and get a kill. If you dont you are just bad. Truth hurts im sorry. Never seen a Riven not getting an early kill in my diamond+ games.

sddghyufjasdklhuJan 15, 20182 votes

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Then you are just bad. Riven is a lane bully. You should all in at level 3 and get a kill. If you dont you are just bad. Truth hurts im sorry. Never seen a Riven not getting an early kill in my diamond+ games.

Im not diamond, but usually their jg is top around that time. And as riven I go with the spellbook + domination 'cheese' and take ignite. So if the oppurtunity is there and the nasus isnt 20 miles away hes gonna die. Usually their jg just camps me into oblivion until nasus is level 6 though, and then its over.

AirKingNeoJan 13, 20185 votes

Klepto is broken, but they're nerfing Ezreal.

TrollmanshipJan 13, 20185 votes

Riot clearly likes their champions to have well-defined strengths and weaknesses...

So they did nothing to help him keep from getting kited to death if the enemy team has a good ranged lockdown teamcomp, and gave him literal-god-mode against everybody else to make up for it. Balanced!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Z3SleeperJan 14, 20185 votes

He's definitely overtuned. Not to the point where champion pick out-ranks skill though. Still bopping Nasii daily.

Him being overtuned is only half the issue. The other half is that 90% of the playerbase still doesn't know how to lane vs him even after 7 seasons.

Everyone keeps trying to "deny stacks" or "be a high pressure early game champ". Both of those ideas are flawed and just makes players play right into his hands.

The steam lifeJan 14, 20182 votes

then what do you do

DanjengJan 14, 20183 votes

Try to dodge his cursor.

Z3SleeperJan 14, 20182 votes

Don't play any differently than you would any other champ. It's that simple. No extra "deny stacks" minigame, it doesn't matter. Stacks aren't what makes him strong, Triforce + Q base damage + his base AD is what makes him strong.

Alot of people try their damnedest to completely shut Nasus out of lane and end up dying to the jungler or just Nasus himself who they don't expect to do damage cuz they "denied him stacks".

Well people, stacks literally add a max of 100-400 damage depending on game time. How much damage does it do base with Triforce? 110 base + ~80-126 base AD + Triforce 160-252.

The steam lifeJan 17, 20181 votes

Letting him free farm is possibly the worst idea in the game.

Z3SleeperJan 17, 20182 votes

Never said let him free farm. Just play the lane normally. Punish when you can like normal but don't go extra ham trying to deny cs so much that you either miss your cs, push the wave cuz minion aggro or aoe abilities, or overextend for an easy gank.

And those 3 things are pretty much what everyone does vs Nasus and that's why they lose and then come here.

Letting Jax free farm is possibly the worst idea in the game too. So do the same thing you do for Jax, play the lane normally.

VesemirJan 14, 20183 votes

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He's definitely overtuned. Not to the point where champion pick out-ranks skill though. Still bopping Nasii daily.

Him being overtuned is only half the issue. The other half is that 90% of the playerbase still doesn't know how to lane vs him even after 7 seasons.

Everyone keeps trying to "deny stacks" or "be a high pressure early game champ". Both of those ideas are flawed and just makes players play right into his hands.

And then they come crying to boards. "why cant i hold Nasus after 20 mins waaah" Or they pick atk speed reliant champs to him. Or dont buy an exe for 800g. Or not helping their team secure objectives while Nasus sits at top farming. He is not overtuned. Klepto and Ancient Coin is.

Xerath Aim BotJan 13, 20184 votes

Olaf

Whats a Nasus?

BlåbæretJan 14, 20184 votes

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Like I just played a game with a nasus on my team holding his own against a riven at level 2... Why is nasus so strong early all of a sudden

Lmao, don't lie. Nasus cannot hold his own vs. a Riven at lvl 2.

ßøssJan 14, 20182 votes

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Lmao, don't lie. Nasus cannot hold his own vs. a Riven at lvl 2.

This. I'm suprise this thread got even upvoted lmao

ThefrostyvikingJan 14, 20182 votes

He kinda can tho, if riven burns just a little too much gapclosing then a E-Q-AA will seriously cause a lot of damage along with minions, and even if nasus comes out a little behind he can still heal it.

Riven can't however.

That armor shredding is ridiculous x)

And nowadays the Nasus players are often running overheal and other stuff from the precision tree to get them free barriers and more heals, a good nasus can easily outsustain a teemo.

I don't see Riven killing that at all, zone him from farm in lane yeah, but kill him? No way.

And then she get´s run over post sheen and level 6.

YaskamasandwichJan 14, 20184 votes

Nasus is overbearing because of kelpto. Since all bruiser top laners lost their late game, Nasus, Jax, Olaf, etc. They're going Kelpto. If they can't have a late game, they'll make sure there is no late game. Top that off with Bruisers' items being super expensive, So kelpto removes that problem. Nasus is also buying coin for more gold, so he gets twice the gold.

PinkajJan 13, 20183 votes

He's always been like that. Get ganks on him often and he should be controllable.

T4underboltJan 13, 20188 votes

Not anymorebsince he hits late game and capability to 1v2 after 150 stacks which is nothing hard to get.

Legacy HydralphaJan 14, 20183 votes

Eh, I haven't had too much general trouble with him. Only times I get screwed by Nasus is late-game or as Aatrox .

THE 4 HORSEMANJan 14, 20183 votes

that means u have played all top champs against nasus.... ur champion pool is riven I guess u really want to dominate top lane with riven and kill everyone...I play nasus....he is even with shen,sion,cho gath,... even yorik is v-good against nasus....if u play a teemo pro way u have 60% of killing himand he has 40%....ornn,moakai and jax they can face nasus in fights..yea if the game does happen to go for 2000 minutes then u might have a problem with his stacks....I take YORIK any time against NASUS....so relax...try some other champs 2...[zombie-brand-mindblown]

VesemirJan 14, 20183 votes

Its not Nasus to blame here. It's his ancient coin klepto path. And Bruisers losing fervor. Nasus himself is fine. Klepto and Ancient Coin gives him so much sustain(gold,mana, and variety of items), biscuit delivery keeps him alive. Second wind too. The problem is runes not Nasus. What i am saying his these runes and ancient coin made Nasus a self sustain god who doesn't need to use his passive to stay alive. This is calling from someone who mained Nasus for 7 years.