ADCS ARE PLAYED IN EVERY LANE AND IM DONE PLAYING

Moonfall Saber·Sep 11, 2017·126 votes·5,937 views

TOP: MID: EDIT: ALSO BOTTOM: ALL JUNGLE: OVER SUPPORT: EDIT: ALSO

WHAT THE FUCK RIOT FIX YOUR GAME

276 Comments

Mens Hair ClubSep 11, 201756 votes

i think the real issue is that nobody else can go in any lane..

DeathBurstSep 12, 201731 votes

Yeah. I'm fine with ADC Top. I mean, I'm not fine fine, I still curse and die a little inside every time I have to lane against a good Vayne, but I'm fine. But why can't I play my Juggernauts and Skirmishers in Botlane? Or my Mages in Jungle? I want some flexibility too!

StairCasexdSep 12, 20172 votes

Jungle annie will be the new meta.

Starcraft243verSep 12, 20176 votes

Well you can. Heimer jungle, diana jungle, malzar jungle. You can play your mages botlane as well. And most of the toplaners can be played jungle, most of the mid can be played top (yet subefficiently since the mid role is often to roam a lot), you can play most of the fighters on the midlane as well (irelia/panth ... )

Natural counter to juggernauts are ADCs so, it might not be a good idea to play them botlane, but a pantheon + melee botlane is quite viable.

Synergy is the key word here. I've had a lot of fun with double burst mage/assassin botlane. Everytime our ult is up we would straight up OS the ADC then kill the support quite easily. (IE : Annie + veigar, veigar + Zed ..., syndra + veigar)

play with 4 friends in flex and try new meta, yet put some reflexion in it, you'll see it works quite well.

Imperial JapanSep 12, 20178 votes

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i think the real issue is that nobody else can go in any lane..

Looking at OP's post, he includes picks (a lot actually) that are comparable to Yorick Jg, Yasuo ADC, Garen mid, or Blitzcrank/Alistar top. I think it's mainly the problem that players just aren't exploring the champions and their possibilities too much.

ThilmerSep 12, 20176 votes

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i think the real issue is that nobody else can go in any lane..

I remember when Soraka Top became popular and she was FULLY REWORKED because "you shouldn't play this champ in other roles hurr durr".

Then you see ADCs in every single role of the game, performing better than mages in midlane and better than tanks in toplane, and Riot doesn't see any problem. Favoritism? Noooo, it must be our imagination...

SakuczyaSep 12, 20173 votes

oh yeah... What was that riot? You stated that seeing Leblanc Malzahar Annie support is interesting and you want to encourage this? ah yes nice... Oh, oh, but, but... Janna Karma Sona Nami and Soraka mid/top is unhealthy? Yeah, yeah I see... [zombie-brand-facepalm]

AtanchanSep 13, 20172 votes

Janna mid literally just press Q to instantly clear a minion wave from a distance your opponent couldn't do anything about, all while having movement speed and a shield for added safety, then transitioned into giving your carries ridiculously huge shields to make them unkillable.

Soraka mid / top pressed Q and won the lane. No, seriously, she pushed to tower while wearing down her lane opponent, and was nigh-unkillable due to how good her self-healing was. And if the enemy laner tried to trade? Press E on them, press Q, walk away. And in her case, not only did she make the rest of her team unkillable with humongous heals, but she also amplified any other magic damage thanks to her Q shredding ridiculous amounts of MR. Oh, yeah, and she could save lanes globally.

Meanwhile, Karma, Sona, and Nami have never really been hit with the intention of bumping them out of solo lanes, they've just suffered from being good in duo lanes resulting in nerfs that impacted their potential in them. As it happens, they're also a lot less abusable by their player and a lot more abusable by their opponent in solo lanes, to the point where they just don't really bring enough to the table for competitive play.

tl;dr do actual research and stop mutilating dogs out sheer rage that isn't even justified. No, seriously, that's just cruel.

SwiftKitten88Sep 11, 201754 votes

the sad part was the whole "adc in 2017" meme was the only time adc have actually been BALANCED. i mean there were tons of other unbalances at the same time (cough Rengar ).. but the ADC's themselves were actually in the most balanced state i have seen them since season 3 or 4.

AirKingNeoSep 11, 20175 votes

the sad part was the whole "adc in 2017" meme was the only time adc have actually been BALANCED.

I can agree if you agree that tanks were retardedly broken. Otherwise, no.

ArakadiaSep 11, 201723 votes

Whether or not he thinks tanks were "retardedly broken", you agree with him. I assume your not going to change your mind on topic A because someone else disagrees on topic B.

General Esdeath Sep 12, 20173 votes

"tanks were broken"

OK enlighten me, I could use some entertainment while I eat dinner.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 12, 20173 votes

I think he's not saying that tanks were broken, but that tanks were broken in relation to ADCs.

What he's basically saying is that if ADCs were balanced, then tanks had to have been way too strong. If tanks were balanced, then ADCs had to have been pathetic.

He's not exactly wrong, there. Tanks were pretty damned strong compared to ADCs.

General Esdeath Sep 12, 20173 votes

Nah he complains about tanks every time I see him. He was one of those people saying tanks were too OP because full damage Darius killed him.

AirKingNeoSep 12, 20171 votes

He was one of those people saying tanks were too OP because full damage Darius killed him.

Fuck off if you're going to lie to people's face. I never complained about Darius.

GalaciusSep 13, 20171 votes

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Fuck off if you're going to lie to people's face. I never complained about Darius.

I understand you're upset, but lets not take your anger out on someone. Be the bigger person and let it go. If it continues, report the posts and we will take a look at it.

AirKingNeoSep 13, 20171 votes

Just taking a bit so he knows I do not tolerate it.

Besides, if he incur that anger without accident, he should take it.

GalaciusSep 13, 20172 votes

I understand that philosophy. However, if you break the rules while retaliating - you will receive an action too. It's not worth it.

AtukoSep 12, 201725 votes

Another top quality, non-kneejerk, well thought out post from the Gameplay subsection

This is totally the kind of stuff high quality content like to see upvoted when speaking about the balance of the game

My HeartshakerSep 12, 20174 votes

Ah yes, truly a valuable contribution to the discussion.

I too love looking at 100x100 pictures and pressing the CAPS lock button when talking about the sub-class that is the "AD-Carry".

DenevielSep 11, 201719 votes

I see no Lucian in this post XD

HeeroTXSep 11, 20177 votes

Yeah seriously, Luc is Mid in LCS now.

Imperial JapanSep 12, 20174 votes

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Yeah seriously, Luc is Mid in LCS now.

So was Twisted Fate jungle and MF support. Picks that won't work in solo queue unless you main it or are a smurf

DauntSep 12, 20174 votes

Lol what, since when does Lucian not work in SoloQ?

Sagan ForeverSep 12, 20172 votes

You think that a 45% win rate is being strong? He is Lucian not ryze.

SqueySep 12, 20171 votes

early game champs usually have bad win rate stats. A more important statistic is how hard they crush there lane. Quinn Kalista Jayce Corki have lower win rates then u would expect as well. most people in solo q dont know how to pull off a comp with an early game adc in it.

Sagan ForeverSep 12, 20172 votes

Quinn has a 50% win rate, Jayce has a 51% win rate, kalista has a 51% win rate, and Corki has a 48.5% win rate. None of these champions have a poor win rate, but Lucian has an objectly bad winrate.

SurveilSep 12, 201715 votes

This post is pretty stupid... No one plays Quinn, Vayne Top or JG, or Ezreal and Varus Mid, and no one plays Miss Fortune or Ashe support. Please actually check your facts before posting a complaint like this...

Electro522Sep 12, 20175 votes

I've seen plenty of Vayne and Quinn top laners, in fact, I'd say top is where Quinn belongs (similar playstyle to Talon top, I believe).

But, I agree on Vayne jungle. Don't know where that came from.

Moonfall SaberSep 12, 20174 votes

My last game. As well as a recent spike in ezreal jungle

Jar Jar binks lSep 11, 201711 votes

I really hate this meta more then assasin meta. Atleast i could Impact the game , now its which botlane carries

Imperial JapanSep 12, 20175 votes

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I really hate this meta more then assasin meta. Atleast i could Impact the game , now its which botlane carries

Not saying that ADC's are pretty dominant currently but I'll also say that you're a toplane main who copes with assassins fairly easily

AirKingNeoSep 11, 201711 votes

Vayne isn't played top outside of bronze.

Graves, Kindred, and Quinn aren't played bot lane.

Vayne isn't played in the jungle.

Ashe isn't played as a support.

Spank the FoxSep 12, 201710 votes

Actually, looking at his match history and the time this post was made, he had a jungle VaynE/Quinn Top on his team, which inspired the post.

Love Boards with ancedotal kneejerk threads.

Imperial JapanSep 12, 20176 votes

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Actually, looking at his match history and the time this post was made, he had a jungle VaynE/Quinn Top on his team, which inspired the post.

Love Boards with ancedotal kneejerk threads.

Yup

PopcornBunniSep 12, 20179 votes

Tanks are played in every role Top: Sion Poppy Maokai Sejuani Malphite Nautilus JarvanIV Mid: Sion Chogath Galio Jungle: Sion Amumu Zac Sejuani Maokai Bottom: Sion Mordekaiser Support: Sion Alistar Maokai Sejuani

I mean come on

Succubús GFSep 12, 20176 votes

People still play poppy? I have never seen mid sion Morde bot?

LõyaltySep 12, 20179 votes

I can live with ADCS being played in every role except midlane. Literally. The majority of midlaners specialize in bursting down targets, an ADCs number one counter. They shouldnt be able to thrive in the very role that is the bane of their existence.

SwarovskoSep 12, 20176 votes

...and? Having variety is a bad thing? If juggernauts and mages could go bot none would be this salty in the boards. Not to mention MissFortune Ashe support are dumb picks (especially in the current meta where you can just pick Lulu and spam stuff on your ADC) unless you're not countering anyone, Ezreal is perfectly fine and is not breaking the jungle like Graves does whenever he is meta, Varus Ezreal mid? this is not s5 anymore wake up. The only obnoxious champion in mid lane is Lucian . Also good luck finding a Quinn top, I haven't seen one in ages.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 12, 20176 votes

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...If [...] mages could go bot none would be this salty in the boards.

I agree with your other points, but people were salty as fuck when mages in botlane started being a thing.

SwarovskoSep 12, 20172 votes

That is true, but people were not that mad when Ziggs was played bot lane. I even saw people saying stuff like "Riot please now that ZIggs is bot don't push him out of it. We need more variety blablabla" and i remember these posts perfectly because I was schoked when I saw the LoL community accepting it. They complained about Zyra Malzahar Karma because their poke was extremely obnoxious.

HeeroTXSep 11, 20174 votes

I recently had a game with Ashe support

Sir FuzziSep 11, 201714 votes

Ardent Censer + Stoneborn Pact. Honestly, it seems like it'd be really legit if you worked a pick into that specifically.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 11, 20171 votes

I'd imagine she'd do well with Cait or Tristana. I tried it with a Lucian ADC. Didn't work very well, as he's too short range to really take advantage of Stoneborn.

Sir FuzziSep 11, 20174 votes

I always figured as an off-meta support she'd want an off-meta carry. Someone with gap close is going to emulate an ADC best but with her ranged backup an the AS/heal on hit she gives and the slow, she can compensate for a lot on someone who can just use damage to get their point across.

I want to say 'Mordekaiser seems like a fitted pick because Ashe can make up his range shortcomings while helping him close and kite, and she'll only enable his gobs of damage.' Morde Q + Ardent seems like a really dangerous idea.

Caitlyn seems good. I feel as though Ashe's lack of damage or hard CC early is going to punish a Trist lane (who also brings neither) if they run into a tank.

ChemicalBusterSep 12, 20174 votes

quinns adc?

CorvidSep 12, 20171 votes

Oh, let's tear Quinn from her only viable lane. Forget add top lane. /s

Nut on my ButtSep 12, 20175 votes

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Oh, let's tear Quinn from her only viable lane. Forget add top lane. /s

I mean, making her more viable bot lane and less top would probably be healthier from the game. The top lane mains would probably certainly appreciate it.