When the fuck is Twitch going to get nerfed.
Has the least amount of damage in her kit than any other assassin because she can stealth. Meanwhile 
can easily kill you from stealth and it requires no skill at all.
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Bronze 6 Yasuo39 votesBut muh squishiness. Funny thing is that adc champs got a buff to their base stats and some adc have better base stats than melee xd
Infernape9 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUaaQATI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-11T00:48:05.836+0000)
But muh squishiness. Funny thing is that adc champs got a buff to their base stats and some adc have better base stats than melee xd
Wait, you're kidding... right?
ChuShoe26 votesThe bronze 6 yasuo NEVER jokes around when it comes to league.
Pierce The Veal3 votesWait, you're kidding... right?
It's been the case for a while now. Even before this season. Now it's just overwhelmingly more the case.
PB4UAME11 votesKalista now has 71 AD at level 1 which is higher than most other champions, including immobile melee juggernauts like Garen, Illaoi, Darius, Volibear, Yorick, Dr. Mundo, Udyr, etc (though all but Garen and Illaoi are actually beaten by Jinx, Twitch and a few other ADCs as well, Kalista's is 5 ad higher than any of these)
PB4UAME3 votesThey also now have higher armor than several of the squishier melees, and in some cases more health.
SpecterVonBaren1 votesThis has always been the case though.
PB4UAME1 votesNope! Prior to this last patch it was not the case due to people's runes, and the asymmetric stat reallocation, which, surprising no one, favored ranged ADs over many melees.
Moonfall Saber2 votesKalista now has 71 AD at level 1 which is higher than most other champions, including immobile melee juggernauts like Garen, Illaoi, Darius, Volibear, Yorick, Dr. Mundo, Udyr, etc (though all but Garen and Illaoi are actually beaten by Jinx, Twitch and a few other ADCs as well, Kalista's is 5 ad higher than any of these)
I noticed this. I watched a Kalista deal 1400 damage with a tend on dragon and was like wtf that does more than smite.
Dolivera4 votesThats the point. Kalista's greatest strength is her objective control around baron and dragon, like an intensified version of cho'gath's feast.
Dolivera8 votesThe reason Kalista has higher ad is because of her passive, her autos only deal 90% of her ad.
Sraeg20136 votesThen what's the fucking point of that reduction on her passive, if they give her enough AD to compensate for it?
ULTRAF0RCE2 votesit makes her scale worse with ad.
AstreaSoul3 votesIt's so that they can scale her kit from Total AD instead of Bonus AD. If they scaled her kit from bonus AD, the ratios would have to be higher and, therefore, she'd snowball way harder with a lead.
Rozzeta15 votesI thought that was intended to be a drawback, a price to pay in exchange for ridiculous levels of mobility. What do you mean she gets compensation for a limiter?
XeroKimo11 votesIt's actually ridiculous, Kalista even before the patch, actually probably had the highest base ad out of all ADCs, but it only deals 90% damage, so the effective damage comes out to be the same as every adc out there
cuddlykitten43 votespretty sure that's more to affect items than her base itself
PB4UAME6 votesEXCEPT THAT IT ALSO SCALES HER ABILITIES SO SHE ACTUALLY BENEFITS FROM HER "LIMITER" JUST BECAUSE SHE's AN ADC, SO SHE GETS HER CAKE, HER SUPPORTS CAKE, THE MELEE's CAKE AND GETS TO EAT THEM ALL TOO.
Dolivera1 votesAlso every other adc got bonus ad as well and a lot of champions (including adc's) got bonus armor with the tweaks. Not necessarily saying the change is good or bad, just trying to point out that even tho kalista has more attack damage at level 1, she's not really doing more damage than any other adc
ChasmOfTrossm3 votesWait, you're kidding... right?
No, they're not kidding.
Aside from Infinity Edge, Lifesteal, and their LD/MR, ADCs build less flat attack damage items than bruisers and assassins. ADCs put the rest of their gold into critical chance items to amplify their damage since the majority of their damage comes from auto-attacking. In order to support the lack of AD they will be building, their base stats have to be raised slightly in order to compensate.
This is the same reason tanks have high-base damages. It's to compensate for the lack of flat-damage items that they'll be building over the course of the game, enabling them to be effective in their respective lanes and actually be able to win and accumulate gold.
As far as dealing with Twitch is concerned...he doesn't need a nerf. In order to deal with Twitch you have to bully him out of lane, and if you're not bullying him, then bully the support. Alistar and Leona are highly effective when it comes to smacking hyper-carries like him back in line.
Rezlac11 votesTwitch was fair before they changed his stealth and w. he doesnt need a reset on his stealth and twitch felt so much more fair to play and play against back then. His ult doesnt need a nerf, his w probably doesnt need to slow in an area because he's a hypercarry.
However the biggest thing is the crit itemization needs to be reverted and then twitch won't be scaling so fast. If that happens he won't feel so unfair to play against because he won't lose lane and win by midgame because he farmed for 5 minutes.
TopperH4 votesTwitch has been in the top 3 adc for a year, ever since the new stealth mecanic. He's always been one of the best adc, first when lethality was strong with ghostblade build, then when botrk was strong, and now crit items.
It's not the crit items, it's Twitch.
AirKingNeo8 votesThe moment Riot decides to hire a balance team who isn't bias.
lolipopevelynn7 votes[{quoted}](name=Moonfall Saber,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUaaQATI,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-10T23:34:59.006+0000)
ya, im really tired of twitch stepping on both of eves shoes while also spitting in her face... this fucking champ has been broken for way to long both in jg and as adc. his stealth detection radius is shorter, gets 780 range, gets resets on his stealth, gets move speed for his s tealth, gets attack speed for exiting stealth.... its actually stupid because eve has been nerfed for her entire lifespan specifically because and only because of her stealth. meanwhile this fucking rat gets away with murdering multiple presidents after getting caught red handed, multiple times.
SpiritOfOdysseus3 votesThe reason is very, very fucking ironic..
Twitch is ranged and can stealth Eve is melee and can stealth
Twitches stealth is miles better than eves Eve gets nerfed to the ground every time riot looks at her
?? What even is logic? The first thing I figured out was that the best advantage in league is Range next best things are mobility and stealth. Twitch has two of these and eve has oneish??
Rainfall5 voteswhy do people keep asking for twitch nerfs? even if he does get nerfed he will just get replaced by on hit varus.
vgamedude16 voteswell varus cant one button ult and aoe your entire team
Azadethe19 voteswhy do people keep asking for twitch nerfs? even if he does get nerfed he will just get replaced by on hit varus.
My only problem with Twitch is tbh that he has both one of the longest ranges, fastest attack speeds, AND You can't knock him out of his stealth unless you somehow can catch up to him while you can't see him. Even if you hit him with aoes. he stays invisible. That's brutal, considering that not only does he have spam attacks which destroy fast, he also can escape easily. The only time a good Twitch dies is when he gets 1v5 ambushed.
Eve..... You can hit her with a stray aoe and she pops out and becomes targettable. She has no innate move speed usefulness.
I don't think her kit is weak. I think his is too strong.
Moonfall Saber4 votesMy only problem with Twitch is tbh that he has both one of the longest ranges, fastest attack speeds, AND You can't knock him out of his stealth unless you somehow can catch up to him while you can't see him. Even if you hit him with aoes. he stays invisible. That's brutal, considering that not only does he have spam attacks which destroy fast, he also can escape easily. The only time a good Twitch dies is when he gets 1v5 ambushed.
Eve..... You can hit her with a stray aoe and she pops out and becomes targettable. She has no innate move speed usefulness.
I don't think her kit is weak. I think his is too strong.
I'm not even saying that eve is weak. I mean she is compared to other assassin's bit that's the way it has to be because she has stealth. I get that. Otherwise she would need to be nerfed from one shotting out of stealth like the old rengar
LordGeovanni1 voteseve still 1 shots out of stealth if she picks her targets correctly and uses her charm so the enemy cant damage her back
ChuShoe5 votesYou can't nerf twitch, he's too SNEAKY for riot! Heehee!
Ariel the Cruel5 votesHas the least amount of damage in her kit than any other assassin because she can stealth.
Hi! :^)
Veltox6 votesHope that's a cruel joke.
PB4UAME1 votes190% AD steroid auto attack reset that can go through small walls, dodge skills, and stealth for 1 second on a 2 second cooldown.
And that's just her first ability. Then she's guaranteed to kill you in ~24 attacks from passive %max hp true damage (so un-counterbuildable, and unmitigatible) and that's just her W.
Oh and her CC ability gives you a stack of her w passive, and deals double damage if it stuns you, with a nice AD ratio, so there's even more damage there.
And oh look, her ult gives her triple her passive movement speed, and the second largest flat AD steroid in the game for 12 second, that her Q double dips.
DO A BARREL ROLL3 votesDon't forget low-ranged and low health. Just play ezreal and three-shot her from distance.
PB4UAME2 votesShe has the same range as every other ADC except Varus, Sivir (lower ranged) Ashe, Trist and Cait.
DaNinad2 votesAnd every other adc has something outside of a 550 range in their abilities..... Vayne's range is 550 for everything she has.
LordGeovanni2 votesthats right play outside of vaynes range ignore the tumble hard cc and the passive that gives her 12% movement speed when moving towards enemies more when she ults
PB4UAME1 votesGood thing she gets multiple positioning tools for her, and her opponenet gets stealth with 50% uptime in team fights, and gets two massive movement speed steroids to extend her effective range. Oh, what's that? You were just going to ignore all of that? Great. Wonderful discussion.
DaNinad1 votesMovement speed only works towards enemies...
KilljoyX4 votesEzreal is significantly more problematic right now. Trust me on this one.
SpiritOfOdysseus1 votes^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesWhen he actually needs it.
Eve has a lot more than just stealth, she has a great disengage+Execute ultimate, has what amounts to a Garen passive when below roughly 60% health, has CC, and has indefinite camouflage, on top of %MR shred. If you play her right, she does amazingly well. Meanwhile, Twitch has League's shittiest passive (no, really. His passive is the shittiest in League), a half-decent AoE slow, a 14s maximum duration camouflage that increases his AS and MS, activatable damage based on his passive, and his AD+Range boosting ultimate, which also gives punchthrough damage.
But, most importantly, Eve actually matters before 6. The odds of Twitch getting a kill without his ult are very low, while Eve at least has her W she can use before then (which does just fine, if you can actually aim and land your Q - which isn't too hard to do if you're actually decent at landing skillshots).
Moonfall Saber3 votesWhen he actually needs it.
Eve has a lot more than just stealth, she has a great disengage+Execute ultimate, has what amounts to a Garen passive when below roughly 60% health, has CC, and has indefinite camouflage, on top of %MR shred. If you play her right, she does amazingly well. Meanwhile, Twitch has League's shittiest passive (no, really. His passive is the shittiest in League), a half-decent AoE slow, a 14s maximum duration camouflage that increases his AS and MS, activatable damage based on his passive, and his AD+Range boosting ultimate, which also gives punchthrough damage.
But, most importantly, Eve actually matters before 6. The odds of Twitch getting a kill without his ult are very low, while Eve at least has her W she can use before then (which does just fine, if you can actually aim and land your Q - which isn't too hard to do if you're actually decent at landing skillshots).
14 seconds of stealth and move speed on an adc. He can walk halfway across the damn map invisible.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesYour point? Eve can walk across the entire map an infinite number of times and remain camouflaged (NEITHER are invisible!). Like...I truly fail to see your point. How does Twitch having 14 seconds of camouflage invalidate my point?
Moonfall Saber3 votesYour point? Eve can walk across the entire map an infinite number of times and remain camouflaged (NEITHER are invisible!). Like...I truly fail to see your point. How does Twitch having 14 seconds of camouflage invalidate my point?
If you truly decided to defend twitch and say that he is "fair" to play against then you are one of three things
A: an adc main B: a Yasuo main C: you have no viable logic
Why is twitch a better rengar than rengar himself? That's what you should be asking.
Biscuit Bite3 votesBanana argument for everyone!
LEEROY KLEDKINS1 votes[{quoted}](name=Biscuit Bite,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EUaaQATI,comment-id=000e0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-11T16:59:52.706+0000)
Banana argument for everyone!
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JaxMoonStealer4 votesI'd kindly recommend you to use good arguments instead of ad hominems. I do not agree with him, but trying to guess what he is because of his opinions doesn't bring anything to the discussion.
Spicy Rice1 votesHey man, I'm a yasuo main and even I find twitch to be broken.
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