That's amazing However
Ahristocats13 votesexplain to me how can zoe still be cancer when damage of Q is being reduced by a half?
like legit, just explain to me
she's going to be so garbage that you would not care if she's cancer or not because she won't do anything and you would just roll over her
stop with the bullshit now
ChizPizaZane32 votes[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v2oQsM7q,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-19T12:19:31.939+0000)
explain to me how can zoe still be cancer when damage of Q is being reduced by a half?
like legit, just explain to me
she's going to be so garbage that you would not care if she's cancer or not because she won't do anything and you would just roll over her
stop with the bullshit now
Hmmmmm let's see 1- She used to one shot people with half a full item, now she can 1 shot them with 1 full item (still cancer BTW)
2- Her bubble is the most cancerous CC ability in the game due to the fact that not only does it CC you for an eternity, it also deals TRUE damage if she hits a Q, like WTF was riot thinking. And don't go on telling me "just dodge it" cuz it's not easy when the bubble can come out of no where and also leave a puddle on the ground
3- And oh boy let's not forget, the one and only, spell thief. Like holy shit where do I begin? It's a fucking ability that just makes no fucking sense. How the FUCK can a BASIC ability be this OP. especially since not only can she get summoner spells and active item buffs from enemies using them, she can also get them by fucking KILLING MINIONS, it makes laning against her completely unfair due to the fact that she can get a heal or redemption or any other summoner spell that can give her an unbelievable advantage.
Ahristocats9 votesHmmmmm let's see 1- She used to one shot people with half a full item, now she can 1 shot them with 1 full item (still cancer BTW)
ok that's not how math works at all but ok
gj
MohawkBird10 votes[deleted]
Ahristocats7 votesyou think it matters? it does not do a single shit, those people do not care and will whine constantly
2- her bubble won't have 30% cdr in built anymore, you will prevent the sleep by removing the slow it deals true damage OH BOY THE END OF THE PLANET! might as well forget that it's a skillshot WITH DELAYED DAMAGE that will also have a long cooldown now unlike other mage's cc
3- spellthief is so garbage, literally garbage no other words to describe the ability it's so gimicked, no one cares about it, so gimicked that riot had to put a drop mechanic giving you free things from minons to make the spell not garbage all the time
those people won't care if you argue or not
5050BS1 votesWhats that? 
W
5050BS13 votesThere is also a bug where if the bubble lands close to a wall it does not leave the puddle on the ground but it is still there.
Invisible Death trap.
The Designer is a BAD designer, all his champs are cancer.
Agent Corgi1 votesThe Designer is a BAD designer, all his champs are cancer.
what about 
? He's not that cancerous to go up against is he? Or is he a different kind of cancer?
What Is Smite7 votesYou should have seen season 3, was pick or ban for Worlds
5050BS3 votesHe worked on Thresh but was not the lead. Same with Zyra. Both are good champs.
He was Lead on Yasuo, Zoe, Kalista. All stupid mobile champions.
Baron Von Bangin4 votesThresh was complained about for 2 years straight before he finally became balanced.
DoktorKaiser2 votesNot that he changed much, its just that the new champs became hyper mobile true damage cancers so Thresh now looks like a god-sent perfectly balanced support.
Baron Von Bangin1 votesHe doesn't have an AoE shield and his passives were switched around so his Q wasn't an auto max spell and Riot smashed his auto attack range. His numbers have been consistently nerfed since his release. People said that you could grind his damage into the dirt and he'd still be viable because of the insane utility his kit provides. I'm inclined to believe that's become the case.
That said, I agree with you.
DoktorKaiser1 votesI know, but those nerfs hit him few years ago and he STILL was considered broken and overloaded. But a few Rakans, redemptions and ardent cancers later and here we are
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesIs his Q on a 5 second CD or AoE?
2Charmnot2Charm6 votesit also deals TRUE damage if she hits a Q, like WTF was riot thinking
Welcome to CertainlyT's bs designs. Another thing that annoys the hell out of me is that she can still reactivate her Q while she is in the middle of someone's crowd control effect or in a stasis state like 
, and that she will always return to her ult location after being hit by CC. Sure the "counter play" is to go to her original location but that requires you to ether have a long range cc ability OR dive deep into the enemy team just to get at her espically when she combo the ult with 
Fairyfleur3 votesCould you give me proof that half a morellonomicon Zoe can one-shot an enemy with her combo? And even if she can, there are other mids that can kill other squishies with a full rotation while on very few items.
The bubble bonus on wakeup only does true damage because of how the double damage is coded.
KyojiTakajo5 votesAs someone who played Zoe quite a bit before they changed how her Q and R interact, it IS possible to 1 shot people with E Q with a Morellonomicon, but with a Codex and Lost Chapter you can do roughly... 75% of people's health with E and max range Q. But that's incredibly hard to pull off in mid lane considering her entire counterplay consists of hiding behind a minion so you'll never get hit with E. Even if Zoe R's in to E, it's incredibly easy to sidestep + you know exactly where she'll land to place ur entire combo.
Fairyfleur2 votesAnd other midlaners can chunk/100-0 easily too with a full combo and first item, so I really don’t see why people are acting like this is exclusive to Zoe.
But I do agree with you; it’s incredibly hard to land an E during laning phase against good opponents.
KyojiTakajo2 votesBecause Zoe's a new champ and it's easy to complain about her. Her damage isn't even the most annoying part of her kit, it's her W and E.
LordGeovanni1 votesBecause Zoe's a new champ and it's easy to complain about her. Her damage isn't even the most annoying part of her kit, it's her W and E.
Im completely fine with her W and her E while stupid feeling doesnt feel op to me if not for her damage her E could be about hitting it on retreating enemies and your allies ciricling the sleeping target before the they realize that they woke up in the wrong mofo neighborhood.
ChizPizaZane1 votesCould you give me proof that half a morellonomicon Zoe can one-shot an enemy with her combo? And even if she can, there are other mids that can kill other squishies with a full rotation while on very few items.
The bubble bonus on war ke up only does true damage because of how the double damage is coded.
That doesn't change the fact that her bubble deals true damage which is a terrible idea to be added on a burst mage. and I've seen Zoe one shot midlaners ( the squishies ) with her E R Q combo with only a lost chapter and a fiendish codex.
Z3Sleeper1 votesDeals double damage of the damage post-mitigation as true damage actually.
Come to think of it, from a design standpoint it's weird to even call it or code it as true damage at all. It's just double damage. They coulda just coded it so that the ability that procs it deals double damage reduced my armor/mr.
ChizPizaZane2 votesDeals double damage of the damage post-mitigation as true damage actually.
Come to think of it, from a design standpoint it's weird to even call it or code it as true damage at all. It's just double damage. They coulda just coded it so that the ability that procs it deals double damage reduced my armor/mr.
Still bullshit
Votable Jester1 votesHalf an item to one-shot? That is bs. Maybe if you land E and do a full range Q-flash-Q you'll 100-0 them, but even that wouldn't be a 1-shot.
The bubble is being nerfed super hard next patch so you can cleanse it fully at the start (which also makes it do crap damage).
She can also get stuff like cleanse against Zed, which is worthless. She also can't get TP or Gunblade anymore, so it isn't as warping as you present it. There's also a significant amount of warning for you to play around it.
ChizPizaZane2 votes[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=v2oQsM7q,comment-id=000100000005,timestamp=2018-02-20T02:04:25.548+0000)
Half an item to one-shot? That is bs. Maybe if you land E and do a full range Q-flash-Q you'll 100-0 them, but even that wouldn't be a 1-shot.
The bubble is being nerfed super hard next patch so you can cleanse it fully at the start (which also makes it do crap damage).
She can also get stuff like cleanse against Zed, which is worthless. She also can't get TP or Gunblade anymore, so it isn't as warping as you present it. There's also a significant amount of warning for you to play around it.
Half a Morellonomicon can one shot an enemy with her full combo. And cleansing won't do you much seen as her bubble doesn't have a 210 second cooldown. I'm not really complaining about Gblade or TP, I'm complaining about how she can get healing spells and retarded mobility because of the multiple flashes she can get.
Votable Jester1 votesAs I said, a full combo isn't a one-shot, and even then she'll need several autos.
Cleansing is for those few times you are hit. I should hope you're able to dodge most of them as everyone is complaining about how she just lands one after many misses.
You're also able to see what she's getting and she doesn't always have them available.
Just wait until these nerfs are through and let's see how she is.
5050BS10 votesThat Dev only makes anti fun to play vs champs. The only ones he has touched that are ok are the ones that OTHERS touched too.
His designed are flat out toxic to the game.
Sir Fuzzi10 votesNerfs do not make un-fun concepts any more fun to face. When they can correct mistakes easier than you can cause them for your opponent, it becomes a problem of "do I want to play this matchup?
In HotS we just got Hanzo and Genji, of Overwatch fame. They're far from the most dangerous opponents-- Genji is more likely to feed than most of his competition. But people ban at least one of them (2 bans per team, mind) because they're ass to face-- for no mana and a relatively safe cooldown, Genji has three escape buttons which makes him almost impossible to catch out. Hanzo also has an escape on a fair cooldown without cost. It's not that their powerful or that their escapes enable busted plays. Nobody wants to face them because it's unrewarding and difficult. They're just asinine patterns; by all accounts the kill should be yours, but both characters will escape 9/10 times unless they've initiated or gone really ham on you-- and even then, most times it won't be enough. Rather than deal with the frustration of watching an opponent who can escape you under virtually any circumstances, they just get banned. Not because it's broken or they're gamechangers. Just because in almost any matchup, they're more frustration than it's ever worth.
Bijeesny1 votesJust when I decided to main Genji :(
Reverent Wrath2 votesThis is exactly why I ban Yasuo every single game. I can beat him on the enemy team. I can carry a bad one on my team. I just hate his entire existence. Even when his win rate is <50% he is just unfun to lane against and unfun to have on my team. I know there are champs that need to be banned with higher priority right now, I just have had my fill of seeing Yasuo so I will never see him again.
BobaFlautist6 votesI've only laned against Zoe once. She was irritating, but totally manageable.
Most games where Zoe is a serious problem, it's because she got fed like 5 kills by mid or the rest of her team is ahead. She's a pain in the ass, but if your team is even with hers she doesn't actually do as much in a teamfight as most mids. Very much like old nid, but with wave clear instead of sustain
Again, she's a pain, but she's not really an issue unless mid just ints their face off.
5050BS5 votesIt takes one kill for her to snowball vs a Squishy midlaner.
Lvl 3 she can 100-10% you in ONE Bubble >Q
BobaFlautist4 votesIt takes one kills for any burst mage to snowball lol.
I play Morg, I can 85-0 someone with one Q-W level 3.
I very much doubt she actually 100-0s at level 3 though.
Fairyfleur2 votesThis. Every clip that people cite as “evidence” of Zoe being broken, OP, and frustrating feature a Zoe doing well rather a Zoe that was even or behind.
BobaFlautist1 votesAlthough a Zoe that is even is really really hard to deal with if her team is ahead, because you can't just engage and kill her. Still doesn't mean she's a problem, but it's part of why people hate her so much.
Fairyfleur1 votesYeah, I can agree with her being kind of frustrating if her team has map control since that allows her to utilize the extra E range much better.
Daunt2 votesThis is actually so true. She's way more manageable than certain other mid laners. People just get lost in the rage because she's annoying in lane but once you get passed that she really has to play out the game perfectly to be relevant.
hhaavviikk6 votesof course zoe is fun to play, that's the problem with champions designed by certainlyT, they're allot of fun to play as, yasuo is the same, but they're god damn obnoxious to play against.
I can go into ranked right now and if I were to face a yasuo I would most likely win, would I have fun? lol no, laning yasuo doesn't carry the slightest ounce of fun to me, in fact it's bloody frustrating laning against him, same with zoe.
Daunt5 votesI don't know, i honestly find her way less cancer than some other mid laners. I really don't mind playing against Zoe. As much as people like to complain that she's cancer, she definitely has counter play. Even if she can be a pesky stupid bug pretty early in the game, the way she interacts with other champions in mid leaves her with every trade lost unless she plays it out perfectly. Which is why i believe only people like Faker will be able to pull her off. And with the upcoming nerfs, this just sets her more in the direction of either being too good if played correctly or completely terrible if not (Although nobody is gonna be good with her after she gets gutted next patch xd). Her W design is horrendous, i personally dislike RNG and the fact that she can get random spell shards from minions is really problematic when it comes to balancing. I think she should only be allowed to get summoner spells from minions. This is the only problem i have with her.
ForgottenLuck3 votesyou should keep your two cents to yourself
Cowgirl Ed2 votesagree, we've come to a point where every 8 new champs/reworks, 7 are huge fail and 1 is actually good
Gibberwatt1 votesR U sure about that.
Troll for Trump2 votesInto the boat she goes
xelaker1 votesseeing some CT in that list lol
Troll for Trump1 votesseeing some CT in that list lol
Maybe there's a correlation..
BOOTYLOVER696961 votesrather lane against heimer, zed, yasuo than that champ cause shes an abomination all over the map
Miku Append1 votesTbh Zoe is just a less mobile Ahri.
Adore Deláno1 votesThe real problem to me is #2; she just doesn't belong in the world of LoL. Goofy champ but not in a fun or interesting way. Kind of annoying and just doesn't feel right.
OP Garen Support1 votesAfter the nerfs she will finally take skill to play. Might need more nerfs we will see.
