Heimer places 3 towers at level 1

RankOneUganda·Dec 14, 2017·8 votes·1,169 views

I kill one. He pokes me while I try to kill the other one. I kill it. he places another one immediately using 30 mana

I kill the other one. he places a second one. again. 30 mana and I took damage

I don't kill his tower. well its the same story. am gonna get shoved it without a hope of ever engaging on him. because all am gonna do is eat E poke until I back. he takes tower pre 10 minutes because fuck heimerdinger.

that laser damage nerf is sure going to fix the fact that you can't really have a window to fight him

where is the reward to killing his towers? if killing his towers isn't the counterplay. wtf is?. sitting back and losing your tower inevitably?

17 Comments

DivewingDec 14, 20173 votes

This is why I don't like Heim.

He's not busted, he's just horrifically dull to play against.

The best course of action is to simply do nothing and just farm. Heim lane is literally farmville.

koshkyraDec 14, 20172 votes

farm+one-sided-pokeville

Quil EvrythingDec 14, 20172 votes

i agree with you. but generally speaking counterplay is to let your minions engage the turrets first, methinks

FertsaDec 14, 20171 votes

i haven't played him in a while, but don't his turrets aggro onto you when he attacks you?

Quil EvrythingDec 14, 20171 votes

probably. So.. dont do it when you are in his autoattack range

RankOneUgandaDec 14, 20171 votes

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i haven't played him in a while, but don't his turrets aggro onto you when he attacks you?

its a bug that does that sometiems and sometimes doesn't. also . his towers changed now. they won't hit you as much as they used to. they put the damage in his E and Lasers combo. so practicallt you're losing 30-40% of your hp to his E into automatic laser proc and he takes 3-4 minion hits.

thats just how it works. if you're inside his towers you won't last long again because he will just E W you and you're gonna die even really early on. because each laser proc does about 1/6th of a champion health

PopcornBunniDec 14, 20172 votes

Sion What towers?

EightprismDec 14, 20172 votes

Leave my donger alone :( He's the one champ that kind of almost makes it look like I can play league, and he already sucks in the grand scheme of things, lol.

XxxLumberJackxxXDec 14, 20171 votes

Um. What champion? He does hard counter lots of champs though

TreeofwarDec 14, 20171 votes

you have to all in him with your champ you cant beat him in a long drawn out fight, you also have to wait for him to use E so he cant burst you

FirewaterDMDec 14, 20171 votes

Reward is it cuts the damage he can do by a decent chunk- 2 turrets lasering you is not likely to kill/chunk you as much as 3 will, and especially at lower levels/before CDR - there is still gonna be some sort of down time where you can kill the turrets. And the more you kill, the more likely your jungle could, or would come and gank and thusly fuck heimer cause even with the passive movespeed he still has literally nothing but ult turret (which gets gutted soon), and ONE use of E before he's kinda fucked if he doesn't have flash. The reason you see so many heimer 2 v 1's where he gets 1 or 2 kills even with his death is cause the laner and kinda the jungle (Smite auto killing a turret is always good) don't do the proper prep to make sure he can't just burst both of you (this also included clumping up as he tries to funnel you into turrets etc.)

Also MR kinda does that thing that ruins him- so instead of being greedy, get a hexdrinker or spectre's cowl and as long as you don't get grenaded OR didn't feed him a bunch of kills you don't care about turrets.

tl;dr - turret deaths are good to cut the total damage + easier to fuck him when your jungle comes. Get MR Wait till they gut Ult turret so he actually has 0 defense to ganks besides E post 6 unless you screw up.

Also the people saying you have to burst him are right- the more time heimer gets to run away, more time he gets before a 2nd E is available. and the E's are the thing that get people killed in ganks outside of leaving 3 turrets + ult turret up.

Seperately your time to gank is when ult's down cause early/no CDR he really needs it to actually defend against ganks especially once the other lane get MR.

BlåbæretDec 14, 20171 votes

Heimer doesn't have any counterplay. Just play a tank if you're first pick and buy MR. Only way you can win lane vs. this cancer.

Quil EvrythingDec 14, 20171 votes

wrong.

you can also laneswap with ashe or cait

FirewaterDMDec 14, 20171 votes

or play a lane bully like Renek, Gnar (Kinda), or just someone who can 1 shot heimer Or Jayce- Jayce really, realllly fucks Heimer up

As does Galio

Nasus, Cho, hell Garen do well as long as you rush MR, least for Nasus turrets end up as free stacks, and the other 2 (and other tanks do fine if they get MR w/o dying once. If you don't die before then, lane gets MUCH easier after that.)

Or bring one of the many mages or assassins that fuck Heimer in the midlane top (Not ideal) but Syndra, Ziggs, Zed, Yasuo, Orianna, Xerath, etc. ALL FUCK Heimer to some extent for example.

Tl;Dr there's a lot of answers but it is hard.

flibitydooDec 14, 20171 votes

Most players don't even bother with fighting the towers because they are so damn cheap in both cooldown and manacost that it feels futile to try because he's always going to just plop another down.

and the difficulty it takes in destroying one pretty much never feels worth it.

By comparison yorick's ghouls on the otherhand don't have oppressive range and only become a threat when yorick himself E's you. you can clear them out one auto at a time without punishment if he misses his E or chooses not to cast his E and as a result yorick who is also a summoner feels fair.

I think the real issue that plagues heimerdinger is Riot wants him to be viable as a midlane so they overload him like this and while mid-lane heimer is semi-viable (depending on the ELO) every single update to improve his midlane just makes him more cancer and awful to face top lane.

FirewaterDMDec 14, 20171 votes

Def can see it- like playing Heim top seems the same other than it's a tiny bit easier to not die to ganks, meanwhile Midlane is still the hell it's always been, just a bit kinder post update than it was before it. Like it makes it a bit easier than it was but he still loses to the same champs he did before the update happened, so for QOL it's nice so people who play heimer don't hate themselves. Can agree that it's kinda hard to lane w. certain champs but unlike old heim when the lasers were random and MUCH more frequent, at least if you dodge grenade/don't eat multiple rockets you don't have to worry about it as much since MOST of the burst is focused on him landing the other abilities.

KivolanDec 14, 20171 votes

The rework took away his core weakness, which was actually having a timer between turrets. Now it doesn't matter how many you take out, he always has them up. Before he'd have to wait 30-45 seconds.