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How long is tryndamere going to avoid getting reworked for.

RankOneUganda··95 votes·4,312 views

honestly. probably the only ancient relic along with Pantheon that are left strong. the previous old poppy. urgot jax and what not were nerfed so they aren't nearly as strong because of their generally toxic kits. but for some reason we can't really avoid reworking him

I think its stupid that even if you feed your ass off under tower. you can still keep suiciding at enemy turret and split push your game to end. not many top laners can really babysit him alone. he goes under tower. autos it few times. and Es away. and thats very effective. hes a strong laner against pretty much all melee champions besides a few .

then he goes at your adc with 0 ad items and 3 attack speed items. 2 hits him at 2.5 attack speed because of the stupid ad he gets from maxing Q and its passive.

it isn't very fun to lose lane because he critted you twice. and because of how crit work he can simply auto a minion. if he doesn't crit he Es on top of you and the chances of him critting are much higher. if you die he will tower dive you over and over.

people have been asking for tryndamere and pantheon rework for years now. no response.

138 Comments

Danjeng15 votes

RNG crits are not a good design. This is why dodge chance was removed from the game.

Ashe has same amount of DPS with crit builds, without the randomness. 20% crit chance is essentially the same thing as 20% damage multiplier from autos.

PrinceOfStorms20 votes

Crits in general are not good design. They let sustained damage champions powerspike really hard to the point where their burst is comparable to an assassin.

GayFluffyUnicorn12 votes

Crits are a good design. Especially in MMOs you can see how crit works on burst heros, dps mages whatever. Difference is firstly: crit doesn't go to 80%+. Fights on PVE go several minutes on a single target and even in PvP it can take a long time, DPS is mostly useless in a PvP environment since you need to burst down healers/DDs unless you can AOE dot people to death. All riot legimately needs is to lower the AD on marksmen if they are meant to have so much crit and AS so they don't crit for 700-800 per AA when an average champ has like 2200 HP.

NiceTryVi4 votes

Crits in this game are bad design. I can think of 3 games off the top of my head that do them right, but all 3 of them use a crit multiplier as well as a crit chance, and you base damage if you go for crits is very low, so you have to crit. This way you cant build faceroll damage, and then slap crits on top of that to ruin people.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Only issue is, that nowadays tanks are so strong so marksmen essentially needs that damage to be relevant in the face of a tank. If they don't stack crit and armor pen then their damage won't be noticed.

I main Seju for jungle just to mess with other other teams heads x)

JSTIN83 votes

Tanks aren't strong, stoneplate is stron. It's ended up as more of a crutch item for tanks than sunfire ever was

Melledoneus8 votes

Have you ever tried to catch a split pushing Tryndamere? Do you know how hard it is?

Now imagine Riot trying to catch him. It's hard work, man.

Dr Poro5 votes

Just land a morgana snare. He can't move for 3 seasons.

Automated Riven6 votes

I think thats what happened in season 5 .. we have on season left before he gets loose.

Melledoneus5 votes

Last time I checked, nobody at Riot Games practices dark or light magic. The closest thing we have is Kateykhaos, who is a kawaiimancer.

Dani El Pezglobo6 votes

i feel like urgot should just kill him so he have 1 counter

God Raijin41 votes

But think of it from a realistic perspective, if Tryndamere was thrown into a meat grinder, he would be SO ANGRY that he would obviously come out unscathed.

PokladnicaZla5 votes

From a realistic perspective Trynda would ignore damage he takes and just keep on fighting,but how could he fight if he were in pieces? Kayle's and Taric's ulties are a different story,cause MAGIC

Thefrostyviking10 votes

You obviously haven't studied nordic mythology and berserk rage, that stuff is purely BS magical nonsense.

It would be like Trynda+olaf ults combined.

You tell me it's not magical? It makes perfect sense that nothing can kill him while its going.

PokladnicaZla2 votes

If it doesn't sparkle it's not magic. Kappa

I haven't found any source referring to magic,just that beserkers were an ancient Norse warrior who fought with wild or uncontrolled ferocity.I always thought they just don't go down from being hit with an axe or arrows? They didn't really know about explosions and meats grinders of Urgod's caliber.

Thefrostyviking4 votes

Well it's an ancient and obscure thing, but true berserker's rage was something that mortals couldn't do unlike normal berserk rage...i know it makes no sense at all.

Normal berserkers can still be killed if you hit them enough, they were just stubborn as hell or drugged to the skies, hard to spook someone who doesn't even notice that they have a spear sticking out of their chest.

However true berserk was a ....gift from odin given to favored warriors fighting their final battle, apparently fire, steel, iron, wood nor stone had any effect on them and they would keep on killing everything and everyone around them except those under the same effect.

And they would only die once all their enemies had perished.

Another god should have been able to cause those warriors to die, i mean, loki managed to kill baldr despite him having near perfect invincibility by finding a loophole.

But suffice to say that mortals without divine intervention were quite screwed if they actually ran into one of those berserkers, for despite having a culture that promoted honorable battles the berserk rage was anything but fair to the opponents.

.....Thankfully those fellows didn't stick around until today if they ever existed, and the shroom type seems to have mellowed out and now prefer smoking stuff while hanging out instead of drinking weird things before going raiding.

TequilaZombie3 votes

Berserkers are known to not be harmed by iron or fire. So Urgot meat grinder wouldn't kill him.

Besides that, if Trynd bought item 1054, it should be less effective due to Berserker's tendency to bite off pieces of their shields.

EDIT: I sucks at writing.

I Main Swain5 votes

as someone who has played a ton of tryndamere in the past and has also played many many games against tryndamere, i really dont consider him to be a big problem. hes actually incredibly easy to cc enough to keep off you until he dies in my experience. also id like to note that the whole second paragraph could apply to pretty much any champion. except for the whole strong laner against almost all melee champions, thats entirely false. i wont say that theres absolutely no problems with tryndamere, but hes nowhere near as op as half the community thinks he is. my advice, play him for a month or two and youll never have a huge problem laning against him again. commence downvotes

AwesomeGuyDj3 votes

Please, i would love to see an underfed renekton/rumble/whoever try and split push against any one with a brain.

ChompyWulf5 votes

Agreed. The only reason to cry and moan about Tryn is if everyone on your team somehow completely chooses champs without CC. So he won't die....you can stun, fear, taunt, root, slow, silence.....so many ways to prevent him casting ult, getting kills, or escaping.

The thing I do find oppressive is the area of his shout. It's pretty damn broke that it's so big but Voli's roar is far smaller.

I Main Swain2 votes

well the only way to prevent him from casting his ult is by killing him faster than he can press r, even a suppress cant stop the ult cast, but yeah if you know how to do it it really takes very little cc to deal with him. yeah i agree about his w, i think it should be changed. i had an idea that seemed pretty good a while ago but i cant remember for the life of me what it was

Automated Riven3 votes

not gonna lie, the best feeling ever is chain ccing a tryndemere from full health to death through his ult.

Serika Zero5 votes

rito's ceo nickname is Tryndamere take a hint ;)

The Ender Cobra5 votes

Mordekaiser *sad hue

IS1255a0e35cec364 votes

trynda is ok

LOSINGISMYPRIDE4 votes

Malphite stack stack stack armor armor armor

Dominick Destine4 votes

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honestly. probably the only ancient relic along with Pantheon

Amumu Janna Kayle Fiddlesticks ?

stone the blacks2 votes

want some basically untouched champions that are ancient Annie Amumu Singed Nunu oh and can't forget Ryze

ChompyWulf21 votes

You're a certain kind of special if you don't realize the Ryze changes.

Auz the Ripper2 votes

literally the most reworked champion

rtbf2216514122 votes

Are we done trying to nerf stupid things?

First it was speculating Orianna. (49% to 50% winrate) Then it "IS" Galio (46% winrate) Then it "IS" Syndra. (46% to 47% winrate) Now it is speculating Tryndamere? (47% winrate)

What is next?

A champion with less than 40% winrate and not a champion higher than 55% winrate?

Joseraph1 votes

{quoted}

Are we done trying to nerf stupid things?

First it was speculating Orianna. (49% to 50% winrate) Then it "IS" Galio (46% winrate) Then it "IS" Syndra. (46% to 47% winrate) Now it is speculating Tryndamere? (47% winrate)

What is next?

A champion with less than 40% winrate and not a champion higher than 55% winrate?

http://lolalytics.com/champion/Tryndamere/ 51.73% wr, hello? where did you get 47?

rtbf2216514122 votes

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http://lolalytics.com/champion/Tryndamere/ 51.73% wr, hello? where did you get 47?

idk.

Maybe op.gg where Plat+ is taken into account?

Werdx2 votes

People think they have right asking for nerfs as they please.

Idk how to beat Yasuo,lets nerf him that way,i can win every time.Even then people would find something to complain about,because they cant kill him in 3 seconds.

nm10102 votes

I agree with a lot of what you say

it isn't very fun to lose lane because he critted you twice. and because of how crit work he can simply auto a minion. if he doesn't crit he Es on top of you and the chances of him critting are much higher

That isn't how probability works though.

DarkRitual1 votes

Sure it is. If you have a 50% chance, one failing means the next one probably will crit. If two in a row do not, the third is even more likely to crit. Hitting three non-crits in a row at 50% chance has a 12.5% chance .5x.5x.5, as long as true random and not pseudo-rng. It's not guaranteed, but it's playing the odds, which are in your favor.

nm10101 votes

Well first to address the comment below this

Actually, they use a Pseudo-RNG mechanic in league that ups the odds of a crit occurring every time you don't crit (assuming you have crit chance). At least, that's what I've always heard.

  1. Psuedo rng resets on different targets so hitting minions does nothing

  2. The prng is loose enough to allow 3 1% crits in a row so I doubt it does anything that crazy.

Now to your comment, again that is not how probability works. Rng does not have a memory, you can estimate what is likely to happen but at the end of the day every auto attack is 35% chance to happen for full fury Trynd early on. The common name for this is the gambler's fallacy

BobaFlautist2 votes

Gambler's fallacy only works with true randomness, Riot's prng actually does change the chance based on what's happened so far - but they changed it to be separate between minions and champions because of what was mentioned above.

One way Tryndamere players can, and, last I heard, do abuse the system, however, is to cancel auto attacks under tower until they get the crit animation, whether to trade a crit for a tower shot and e out, or to begin a tower dive.

TimX24968B3 votes

crit isn't even the issue really with him, its underestimating his early game power. its like going to a slot machine and expecting not to win. Whenever I see "trynd crits me too much", what i read is "I let trynd hit me to death cause I didn't know what to do so I just let him hit me and didn't think he would do much damage"

Werdx2 votes

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honestly. probably the only ancient relic along with Pantheon that are left strong. the previous old poppy. urgot jax and what not were nerfed so they aren't nearly as strong because of their generally toxic kits. but for some reason we can't really avoid reworking him

I think its stupid that even if you feed your ass off under tower. you can still keep suiciding at enemy turret and split push your game to end. not many top laners can really babysit him alone. he goes under tower. autos it few times. and Es away. and thats very effective. hes a strong laner against pretty much all melee champions besides a few .

then he goes at your adc with 0 ad items and 3 attack speed items. 2 hits him at 2.5 attack speed because of the stupid ad he gets from maxing Q and its passive.

it isn't very fun to lose lane because he critted you twice. and because of how crit work he can simply auto a minion. if he doesn't crit he Es on top of you and the chances of him critting are much higher. if you die he will tower dive you over and over.

people have been asking for tryndamere and pantheon rework for years now. no response.

If people actually built armor and hp items after boots and 2 dps items,instead of taking all 5 items dps,everyone would have much easier time surviving.

But nooo...that's for weak players.Full dps is for pros...that's why you are dying at level 18 with 20 armor and 1500 hp.

Get 100-150+ armor and 3 k additional hp,then fight Panth and Tryndamere.

Bike Terror1 votes

Actually, pantheon and tryndamere are not as deserving as buffs and reworks as weaker champions like riven and urgot.

Automated Riven8 votes

I dont know as I would classify riven as a weaker champion. she is plenty strong in the right hands.

Bike Terror1 votes

Actually, riven is the weakest champion In the game barring urgot and loses every non urgot matchup at every point in the game. The only way to even go even and contribute something to your team as riven is to be more than 10x as good as the other team OR play against gimpgot.

Automated Riven4 votes

so every 1 trick riven in challenger is 10x better then everyone else in challenger?? rofl

Laxfan526 votes

I am going to disagree with you because of how there are many riven mains in challenger. If you have to be 10x better than the other team to contribute something as riven, shouldnt it be impossible to get to challenger as her?

NiceTryVi2 votes

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA. RIVEN. WEAKER. AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bike Terror1 votes

Riven is the weakest champion in the league except urgot because she has to be more than 10x as good as her enemies to even break even much less be useful. Her Q actually does 10 damage. 10. Minions hit harder

NiceTryVi2 votes

Kek. Keep defending your cancer there buddy. 51% winrate is not weak, at all.

Also, that's 10 BASE damage. At level 1. It has a ratio. Which scales off total AD, too. Vi's E only has 10 base damage at lvl 1 too, guess shes tied for the weakest then, huh?

Bike Terror1 votes

Lol. I never defend and never cancer. What are you on about? Riven is the weakest champion in the game except urgot because she must be more than 10x as skilled as her enemies to break even, much less contribute even one thing to the team.

NiceTryVi2 votes

Ok no, she is not weak, are you stupid? You dont have to be 10x as skilled, get your little fantasy of being a god cause you can play riven out of your head. I just showed you her 51% winrate proving she isn't weak at all, stop trying to act like you're some league pro just because you play Riven.

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