Ahri has nearly 54% win rate and 15% pick rate "WTF WIN RATE RIOT STOP THE FAVORITISM NERF HER!!!"
nami has the same stats than Ahri "WOW RIOT YOU REALLY NERF NAMI???? SHE'S THE MOST BALANCED CHAMPION IN THE GAME BUFF THE OTHER SUPPORTS INSTEAD OF NERFING HER YOU INCOMPETENT"
me: casually watching Riot trying to catter low elo but being insulted regardless http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mazfbtwUtG1qddh7a.gif
Nausicäa 56 votesI think the issue isnt so much that Ahri and Nami arent too strong. The issue is more like champions like 
are straight up dominating the game snowballing out of control.
Im pretty sure almost anyone would rather have a Ahri or Nami on the enemy team than a fed Graves straight up 1v2ing you and your junglers. The issue is more that these champions are far more egregious balance issues and theres no nerfs in sight.
Daddy Ants30 votes[{quoted}](name=Nausicäa ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uqGt9boE,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-10-04T10:04:51.220+0000)
I think the issue isnt so much that Ahri and Nami arent too strong. The issue is more like champions like
Im pretty sure almost anyone would rather have a Ahri or Nami on the enemy team than a fed Graves straight up 1v2ing you and your junglers. The issue is more that these champions are far more egregious balance issues and theres no nerfs in sight.
Kai'Sa was nerfed in 8.18.
Does she need more nerfs? Absolutely.
Chembaron Yamada5 votesGraves literally has a nerf on the PBE right now.
Zeyphel10 votes[deleted]
SociopathFriend7 votesAh yes the League boards, "Nerf this champion into oblivion so I don't have to deal with them".
Also the boards, "Wtf Rito you nerfed this champion to the ground so they're unplayable".
Rathar Dashing12 votesIt's almost like the boards isn't a hive mind, and you can find different people with different opinions out here on the internet.
IcyPepper3 votesYeah, but then you wouldn't get biased posts like OP who mock the board's bias. It's like OP is part of the boards or something.
Wait.
mind explodes
D357R0Y3R18 votesMeming base AD nerf when 8 years of balance history has shown how stupidly broken those nerfs are
ok
Z3Sleeper7 votesNot to mention it’s an epecially potent way to nerf junglers specifically. They rely primarily on base AD and AS for their clear times and Grave’s basic attacks scale up to 200% with total AD (meaning -6 damage per basic attack).
I find it strange though, they said they were gonna nerf his late, not his early. This is definitely an early game nerf but I’m not complaining.
Rathar Dashing3 votesThey backpedaled and said they wanted to nerf him in all stages of the game. They also said they didn't think it would be too big of a problem double nerfing him with the Dark Harvest nerf, too.
AwesomeGuyDj3 votesThey said that he performed well with fleet too, which is why they nerfed him directly i thought?
Lil Homie busta3 votes
GigglesO7 votesCompared to those cancer champs I love fighting Ahri and Nami.
Daddy Ants20 votesBoth Ahri and Nami are deserving of nerfs.
I do believe what makes Nami "oppressive" is her damage, not her healing.
Tegash2 votesShe is the only support who can heal and poke on a single button press. It might be an expensive button press, but mana regen and mana pools easily fix that.
Meep Man1 votes
can too
Dont disagree, but just pointing out.
Tegash3 votesMm, fair. However Ebb and Flow can't be dodged. Gleaming Quill is a skillshot that can't even hit through minions, and it heals for nearly a quarter of Ebb and Flow's value at the beginning of the game. By the end of the game they have similar scalings on both damage and healing - Rakan's is actually slightly stronger than hers - but Nami's is still guaranteed to hit at least 1 target.
DrCyanide16 votesCries for nerfs are more often linked with frustration playing against the champion. If there are no Nami complaints, then people feel like they had a good chance to beat Nami in their games and didn't feel like any particular skirmish in the match was unfair. It's an indicator that Nami has a more balanced kit than Ahri.
Also keep in mind people are quicker to complain about burst and mobility than just about any mechanic - since those mechanics feel like they remove your ability to react.
D357R0Y3R5 votesYea nobody complained about Ivern because nobody complains about supports, therefore it indicated that his 58% win rate was balanced
Those people man, there is no fucking way to argue with them
3TWarrior3 votesI thought people complained about Ivern because he is a counter-jungler that is even better at the job than nunu is, CAN use ranged attacks and only has to be in his opponent's jungle for around 20 seconds to be able to come back at any time and clear it instantly before repeating the cycle
Zeppelins circus1 votesNobody "complained" about Ivern because everybody telepathically knew it was bullshit.
I remember the insult against Ivern those days, "That boosted tree".I found it hilarious since it implies trees move with high speed.
Rathar Dashing10 votes...or the boards isn't a hive mind, and different people will say different things.
Jinzo Torrance9 votesAlways happens that people feel that champion who do damage are more OP than champion who don't, this is why Pyke or Brand are more likely to be complained about than Nami or Alistar. Not even low ELO, just that you feel more the impact of a champion when you see him do crazy shit like chain-executing your team rather than pressing W on cooldown to heal.
Pika Fox4 votesIts funny because both nami and alistar do good damage. Alistar will literally slap brand in the face for 3/4ths his HP bar.
PlebonicEbonic9 votesPSA Nami is only good because all of the other enchanters got nerfed into the dirt. all of her counters got HARD nerfs this season, and previous season.
. wtf do you think is gonna happen when riot gets a hate boner for supports, and starts gutting every single one of her counters one by one?
Noor Sakata3 votesPSA Nami is only good because all of the other enchanters got nerfed into the dirt. all of her counters got HARD nerfs this season, and previous season.
And so as Ahri , All mages got hard nerfed lol Indirect nerfs same as Enchanters , also the Electrocute nerf boosted her winrate a lot since it's easy for to proc it while being ranged , while most of other ranged mages in mid lane aren't electrocute users It's all about the shit was going on in mid lane , and also not to forget that the class who out scales her which is mages isn't being played that much since people mostly going Akali Irelia which happens that Ahri is safe against them In other words , both didn't deserve nerfs , it's the the direction where balance team lead us to So for the sake of winrates ? either nerf both , or fix the mistakes the balance team did
PlebonicEbonic6 votesAhri has nearly 54% win rate and 15% pick rate "WTF WIN RATE RIOT STOP THE FAVORITISM NERF HER!!!"
nami has the same stats than Ahri "WOW RIOT YOU REALLY NERF NAMI???? SHE'S THE MOST BALANCED CHAMPION IN THE GAME BUFF THE OTHER SUPPORTS INSTEAD OF NERFING HER YOU INCOMPETENT"
me: casually watching Riot trying to catter low elo but being insulted regardless http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mazfbtwUtG1qddh7a.gif
once again, for the 500th time in every nami post, nami is only strong because riot decided to gut EVERY OTHER SUPPORT EXCEPT HER. nami excels against all ins due to her r and q. this is an ALL IN META. you want nami to not be high winrate? buff leona, thresh, and lulu again.
Rathar Dashing2 votesI think thresh is fine right now, especially after his last buff. If they nerf Nami and then make enchanter items better again, I'd be happy.
Linna Excel5 votesWhy can't support mains ever have nice things?
Bob the Toastr8 votesOnce upon a time they had one nice thing that was really, really nice. So nice that ADC's picked up relic shield so supports could get it faster lol.
Rathar Dashing5 votesYes, and then they nerfed Relic shield, Ardent Censer, and all supports that built it. The moment supports get something good, someone else abuses it and everyone gets nerfed.
Faceroll Tactics3 votesYou got an entire season to build ardent censor and win the game.
ankoanko191 votes''Why cant supports be allowed to rush 
and be the most relevant teamplayer in the game for more than a year? Riot pls''
Linna Excel1 votesAs a support player, it beat the ward bot meta of years past. Maybe it went slightly too far, but it was nice to have attention for a change.
Paroe5 votesIsnt the difference between Nami and Ahri that enchanter type support win rates are directly related to the strength of marksmen and their compatability with the meta marksmen kits?
Meanwhile Ahri has no such tie to any other champion?
ankoanko191 votesOh yeah thats why Janna was at a 53% wr even when ADCS were complete trash in early Season 7
/s
Paroe6 votesOh yeah thats why Janna was at a 53% wr even when ADCS were complete trash in early Season 7
/s
"Complete trash" Marksmen have never been trash, stop lying. Marksman have been in lower places than usual, but they still warp the entire game around them. Even earlier this year when we had diversity in the bot lane if they lasted long enough to get online the game was still decided by the marksman.
Also, Janna's winrate has always fluctuated in accordance with the relative strength of marksmen. In Metas where junglers "win" shes got lower win rate, in "tank metas" she has a lower win rate, but due to her generalist nature shes always above or around 50%. Much like Nami in that respect, actually. Nami is very much a generalist enchanter unlike Soraka and sona, who have certain pairings they excel with.
Noor Sakata2 votesIsnt the difference between Nami and Ahri that enchanter type support win rates are directly related to the strength of marksmen and their compatability with the meta marksmen kits?
Meanwhile Ahri has no such tie to any other champion?
She has , her team , she was never a solo carry type champion to begin with " not talking about the old early seasons Ahri " She is usually , Dash in , Charm someone and let your team focus him and kill him , be it even a tank , doesn't sound supportish ? Pyke can do the same kind of in a very supportive way with an assassin kit while he goes tanky
ZaFishbone5 votes"Either the boards are stupid
ly biased..."
There, fixed that for you.
BugsLivesMatters4 votesHmmmm no. The whole goal is to nerf damage in the game atm, why buff 4 or 5 champions instead of nerfing the single champion that is overtuned?
FOR JUSTICE6 votesTell that to the guys who buffed darius.
Rather then nerfing the actually opressive champions he's laning against to decent levels, they decided it was OK to just buff him to their level
BugsLivesMatters2 votesAnd that is something Riot needs to stop doing. They take a step forward, then two steps back.
I honestly think one of the major problems with Riot these last few is years is they don't have any clear goals set out for their game, they just bounce back and forth nerfing and buffing champions.
I swear they play beer pong on the weekends and the winner gets to decide what champion gets a buff/nerf. That is how random some of their decisions have been lately.
floppy10003 votesGenerally, should also be considered that, due to the general tendency for players to pick damage dealers, any champion that doesn't do very much damage, yet nonetheless improves the overall team composition, should naturally sit above 50% win rate.
Tanks are not played as often, but a team with a tank should perform more capably that a team without a tank, especially at the low to mid levels of play. Since the majority of the time, players don't play tanks, a player who does play tanks should improve his teams win rate. Similar to enchanting or peeling supports, who don't do damage, don't bring engage, generally aren't played as often as "playmaking" supports.
This is why, IMO, it's okay for Nami to sit on 53/54, while less OK for Ahri to sit on 53/54 (though I still think it's OK for Ahri to have a high winrate b/c her winrate is a symptom of the game being increasingly reliant on one-shotting people instead of actual strategy, and Ahri is very safe).
ankoanko191 votesI dont get it? So the argument here is ''Not many people play it and it improves the team composition so it should have a 54% wr'' and that in of itself would be fine but Namis pickrate is at least 17% for Plat+ and it is higher for every higher ladder . Nevermind how Nami IS a playmaking support, her bubbles is one of the hardest skillshots to land and lets not get into her ult.
Noor Sakata2 votesI dont get it? So the argument here is ''Not many people play it and it improves the team composition so it should have a 54% wr'' and that in of itself would be fine but Namis pickrate is at least 17% for Plat+ and it is higher for every higher ladder . Nevermind how Nami IS a playmaking support, her bubbles is one of the hardest skillshots to land and lets not get into her ult.
Isn't the Glacial thing op on everyone and also Nami can use it? also u said it it's Glacial , perma slows , it makes her even more supportive lol
ankoanko191 votesBut Glacial only has a .5% pickrate and a bad winrate on Nami ( https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Nami/Support/ ) Glacial really only works if your champ has the ability to build 
and has a very crucial CC to land.
Noor Sakata1 votesBut Glacial only has a .5% pickrate and a bad winrate on Nami ( https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Nami/Support/) Glacial really only works if your champ has the ability to build
Nami has better CC than Ahri tho , Ahri cc is a skillshot that is still dodgable or dodged by mobility or sometimes even people flash it , and can even qss it which removes the extra dmg her w q r gives which is the charm amp , however the slow is cancerous on everyone I saw them building it I'm not saying Nami builds it always , just happened to see it built sometimes for fun
ankoanko191 votesYou can QSS Namis bubble and ult tho? You can also reduce Namis Q with tenacity since its a suspension and not a knockup. But the problem with this build on Nami is that she needs support items. While twin shadows CAN in theory work as a support item, it wouldnt be the best option.
Noor Sakata1 votesYou can QSS Namis bubble and ult tho? You can also reduce Namis Q with tenacity since its a suspension and not a knockup. But the problem with this build on Nami is that she needs support items. While twin shadows CAN in theory work as a support item, it wouldnt be the best option.
Yeah so what's your point exactly ? xD i no longer know what are you arguing against anymore
