What if people played Elise differently?

Ok sure but why·Mar 29, 2018·7 votes·870 views

People be complaining about her burst and stuff, but,

If she can stun you for two seconds, doesn't sounds half bad.

16 Comments

nm1010Mar 29, 20186 votes

Duelist build on low income doesn't work, has pretty low waveclear and high mana costs so she can't splitpush really. Can't really group with that build as she is squishy as fuck with low range.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 29, 20181 votes

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Duelist build on low income doesn't work, has pretty low waveclear and high mana costs so she can't splitpush really. Can't really group with that build as she is squishy as fuck with low range.

That exact build gets played in LCS

Community: OH SHIT DAT BUILD NOW META AF HOLY GG

GankedByWindowsMar 29, 20181 votes

It isn't a bad thing that people change their minds in light of new information. If they thought it was bad, but then were proven wrong by the pros using it on stage, that seems like a good thing that people don't continue to insist it is a bad build despite the evidence.

Ok sure but whyMar 29, 20181 votes

She has no mana costs in Spider Form, which she'd be using most of the time; she'd only switch over to her two-legged doppelganger to land a nice stun and get More Spiders!

nm1010Mar 29, 20181 votes

You build duelist to duel people, the best way to get duels is splitpushing, splitpushing with high mana costs will cost a lot of mana. I could definitely see it working when ahead, but from behind this build just has a lot of negatives attached to it.

Lunar LunacyMar 29, 20183 votes

I've been doing that since she was released, ap burst Elise has always been viable... Why don't people do it more though, you ask? That can probably be explained by the fact that she still does considerable burst damage even with tank items. She has more potential as a team player when she builds tankier, she has more potential as a solo carry when she builds burstier. Yeah I've run around getting 20+ kills bursting people down with Elise in low elo before, but when you get to higher elo those picks are harder to get and people have more magic resist so that burst playstyle loses some of its consistency and effectiveness. Does that all make sense?

HalcyonDwellerMar 29, 20181 votes

Yeah, makes sense! Good explanation +1

KaìjuMar 29, 20182 votes

I have tried thebduelist build and enjoy it but it's way too weak. You aren't nearly tanky enough and you have massive mana problems because of how much Human Q costs. Plus the build is pricy and junglers have somewhat low gold income unless they AFK farm.

nelogisMar 29, 20182 votes

Ok sure but why

Ok sure but whyMar 29, 20181 votes

Painted CeltMar 29, 20182 votes

Sounds like it could make a pretty sweet unique playstyle. I wonder if Riot has plans for an Elise Elise mini-rework that could support this. Elise is weak, but I agree that buffing her burst would be encouraging a boring status quo of burst vs burst when she could be much more fun.

I think something like: Spiderlings apply on-hit effects on every-other attack. Venemous Bite applies on-hit effects twice. If Cocoon does not hit an enemy target but does hit a wall then it leaves a hanging web snare stretching from the wall for some distance. If enemies walk into the web, they're snared for 1 second and Elise can have 3/4/5/6/7 web snares placed at a time, lasting a maximum duration of 300 seconds each.

As compensatory nerfs, Elise could lose some Venemous Bite execute damage, could have increased mana-costs/cooldowns, and/or could lose some/all spiderling AP scaling (since item 3115 item 3124 would be granting scaling to them). In general, Elise needs net buffs though so she should get more than is taken out in exchange.

Also, having Malzahar voidlings get the same spiderling treatment with on-hit effects every-other attack could be cool. It could give a place to item 3042 in his build, especially if his mana costs were nerfed as compensation.

DW DianaMar 29, 20182 votes

Also, having voidlings get the same spiderling treatment with on-hit effects every-other attack could be cool. It could give a place to in his build, especially if his mana costs were nerfed as compensation.

Sounds like a fantastic idea. Wish riot would actually reply to one of the myriad of workable suggestions for this ability!

Ok sure but whyMar 29, 20182 votes

I would LOVE for Venomous Bite to apply on-hit-effects twice. I miss the old Evelynn.

TeémòMar 29, 20181 votes

item 3742 item 3124 item 3153 item 3078 item 3071 item 2065 Elise don't forget she can proc melee only by turning into her spider form after she auto's

BobaFlautistMar 29, 20181 votes

item 3748

Lucky MonikerMar 29, 20181 votes

Yeah I have tried Nashors on her many times, but if you build it on her then you aren’t tanky enough to stay in melee to keep attacking, so she dies real fast. If you are going ‘on hit’ build then it needs to be a bruiser build.