Just had a sad moment in my last game

Ok sure but why··115 votes·19,660 views

So, we were stomping so hard, we were basically just messing around in the second half of the game. Don't get me wrong; we did win, easily. That's not the sad part.

But someone on the other team was like "WHAT RANKS ARE YOU????" Someone said S2, another S3, and then I said, "I used to be G2, until going 8/2 in my new years placements sent me to S3." Then one of my teammates said the same thing happened to him. And then another.

And then the enemy urgot that was 0/6/0 at the time said, "Wtf, I'm unranked, and this is my 7th game of my series."

Man, there's so much diversity in the Silver ELO, it's like Silver doesn't even exist at all. Everyone is either Bronze or Gold, and everyone in every Silver match is doing everything they can to climb or fall to one of them. There is no exception. Silver is no one's home; it's purgatory. ELO Hell might not exist, but Silver is the ELO Casino, where you gamble 19 lp and 30 minutes of your life in the hopes you don't get the unranked feeder on his 7th game on your team.

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ApexInTheCircle48 votes

Fucking beautifully worded

Ok sure but why17 votes

What can i say, passion comes from the heart

CytheGuy2 votes

Does the gameplay team therefore have no heart?

Turtles Are Okay19 votes

It's elo casino, beautifully put.

Seriously, I'm plat (1-2) main and I can't, for the life of me, climb in Silver. I'm on 90 games already and all games are lost due to others. I'm an objective person and I reviewed my games.

There's nothing I can do for auto-filled people who go 0-6.

Jesus.

TTv Koddok14 votes

But your friends who are gold by the skin of their teeth will swear it's because you're bad and can't solo carry.

Solo carry.

That's a joke these days.

Ok sure but why1 votes

There's only two ways someone can solo carry a losing game, and it's either by split pushing and HOPING that your feeding team can do anything whilst you 1v5 top lane, or by simply playing Anivia and HOPING no one focuses you. Either way, those are equally just as big of a gamble as not getting feeders on your team in the first place.

TTv Koddok2 votes

It's funny that underage gambling is illegal but yet Solo Queue still exists. :D

LibroMastro4 votes

Sorry but i don't believe you are plat at all, i'm high silver and when i get plat players on normal games they always carry really hard, they manage to be everywhere around the map

Turtles Are Okay8 votes

That's up to you, regardless, games can't be carried.

My currently P3 friend cannot carry / do anything in Silver.

My other friend is climbing through plat now and he can't play his smurf because he can't get out of S3.

DMate192 votes

Dude you are silver and started this season. No need to join the random complaining when it is painfully obvious you are not a plat player

Disembark2 votes

300 games and still in Silver. Hard to believe he has a Plat main or is actually a Plat player.

I’ve personally gotten 2 accounts from Silver 4 to Gold this season, playing offroles and shit.

Silver is stupid sometimes, but 95% of the time you can hard carry the game.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

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Sorry but i don't believe you are plat at all, i'm high silver and when i get plat players on normal games they always carry really hard, they manage to be everywhere around the map

First game i could find in your normal patch history with a Plat 5 player. Doesn't really look like Yi carried

https://imgur.com/pPs18YG

LibroMastro1 votes

He was bad. His team was fed and he was jumping in the middle of the fights, also you cant get out of silver with 600 games? come on man

BestPudgeNA1 votes

{quoted}

He was bad. His team was fed and he was jumping in the middle of the fights,

So in other words he didn't hard carry, you said "plat players" carry in norms pretty hard. Turns out that wasn't true in the only game i could find, looks like the plat player got carried by silvers...

also you cant get out of silver with 600 games? come on man

Who are you talking too?

NRNRB1 votes

i agree so much. d2 here and player since s1 and hardstuck on s2. over 90 games. at first playing with my main, then started maining new champ (on rankeds) maybe thats why, but still

ChallengerTier2 votes

??? this is bulshit, any competent plat player can get out of silver with 70% wr minmum easily

RacoonHunter1 votes

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It's elo casino, beautifully put.

Seriously, I'm plat (1-2) main and I can't, for the life of me, climb in Silver. I'm on 90 games already and all games are lost due to others. I'm an objective person and I reviewed my games.

There's nothing I can do for auto-filled people who go 0-6.

Jesus.

this is true. I've seen challenger players such as Foxdrop and Pantaredragon get on alt accounts in the silver level and they can't climb.. hell, FAKER got on a silver level account and couldn't climb.. and he's in the LCS..

its something riot seriously needs to fix.

JRobin311 votes

I remember watching Red Mercy plays three games in Bronze to 'see if the rumors were true'. He sort of acted like it was no big deal (non-committal), but he couldn't deny he got the classic int feeder, lol.

But seriously, the nature of the Silver and Bronze makes for a different META than high ELO and high ELO players can suddenly find themselves like a fish out of water because they've adapted to the refined air near the top and aren't used to the shenanigans of Silver and Bronze. Another phenomenom that can throw them is that some players in Silver are better at the game than their rank implies - they simply choose not to spend the time to climb to high rank because it's too much of a grind for them. They may have aspirations to get to Gold and then stop. So this creates a situation where the true rank of players in Silver ranges from unranked to Gold (or even higher since those players stop climbing after they reach Gold).

That said, if high ranked players aren't climbing on their alt accounts, it's probably because they don't care to spend the time to climb those accounts by adapting to the META of Silver and learning habits that will make maintaining their rank on their high ranked accounts more difficult. They might not even take those alt accounts as seriously. Alt accounts can sometimes be used to try out things at a lower rank rather than take them immediately to a higher rank.

The OP's anecdote really captures the elephant in the room though. There are so many 'problems' that I could go on and on about Silver. So, I'll stop now.

TheCodeisCupCake1 votes

Ah I see you hail from the beautiful platinum league, where everyone acts like they are Diamond and Master mains, sons of Faker, and have retired the LCS

Marothennan15 votes

Silver is the most coinflip elo you'll see

hhaavviikk9 votes

it isn't that strange for the urgot to be facing silver ranked players, in my placement matches I eventually started facing platinum players, it happens if you keep winning it just pits you against higher ranked players

ModCaptainMårvelous7 votes

Yeah, part of what Riot was saying is a goal to fix in their ranked stuff: Bronze/Silver/Diamond have too much bloat.

Banuvan4 votes

Can confirm. Worked all the way up from Bronzie status to silver 2 ( later dropped to silver 3 ). It was not uncommon to have people anywhere from bronze 1-3 to gold 2-5 last season and the occasional plat player but that was rare. Rarely ever was it a game of silver players. For those of us that are silver players it's rather disconcerting to not actually play silver players while in silver.

NRNRB4 votes

I was diamond 2 and people make fun of me on boards and reddit because im hardstuck on silver 2 while i play this game since s1 XD.

silver is 100% random. dont know about bronze, never was there, but nowadays silver if u arent playing (or rather MAINING) a total hypercarry champ (adc/master yi/yasuo) then its just pretty random (unless u get a duo) because regardless if u win lane or lose u still need good team.

for me its easier to win gold/plat/diamond level game than silver because all you have to do is to win lane, help others, group, poke, teamfight, push.

in silver you win lane but here people cant "soft lose" game or lane, they lose it as hardcorously as they can and go 0/10 not pplaying safe at all, they they refuse to group and dont know basics like you need to push to win

ChallengerTier1 votes
50Shades0fTrynda3 votes

ah, can you stop caring about ranked already... this state is on for too long

Ok sure but why4 votes

I want Riot to care as much as I do!!!!!!!!

50Shades0fTrynda1 votes

well, if i made Soraka enjoyable to play for myself , you can do everything

The Dreamwalker3 votes

You wanna know something? I view OP.gg sometimes, and guess what I find... I was queued up with a Plat 5 top laner... I feel that victory was shallow considering I am an unranked person. This was in my normal games. Also, when I looked, the match was full of silvers, bronzes, and golds... then there was that one Plat player. I also, sometimes, take a look after struggling real hard in a game. I once found I was fighting a diamond player, when at most, I am Silver (last season, unranked this season).

RacoonHunter3 votes

I just had a bronze 5 in one of my games, and I'm currently silver 3. thanks riot.. thanks for the waste of time when I have a bronze 5 on my team, then look up the enemy and they have a plat 5 on the other team..

Kairoptra2 votes

Well, they are adding two more tiers this preseason, so that might help.

SleepingVictors1 votes

Where can I find out more about this?

SleepingVictors1 votes

Thanks!

"The current design adds two new tiers, and the addition of these tiers will help achieve two things. First, they’ll help us smooth out the bad experiences in Bronze, Silver, and Diamond. Second, they’ll bring more differentiation for Diamond players, which is something that has been a problem for a while now. " What does this mean? like what are the two new ranks? ex. silver 7-6?

Kairoptra2 votes

Well, their current goal is to create two new tiers (like bronze or silver), while taking away a division from each tier (so now the lowest division of each tier will be IV, like bronze IV)

T4underbolt2 votes

This means they will e.g. add cooper division after bronze and titanium before diamond. Names are purely random.

Terozu2 votes

Isnt like... 60% of the games population in Silver?

DexterousGecko2 votes

You should see Silver Flex. Anywhere from Silver V to Diamond V, but riot refuses to use your solo MMR for flex for some reason.

Xurreal1 votes

Mhmm. It's normal.

Ok sure but why10 votes

It doesn't have to be [sg-janna]

Xurreal2 votes

I know. It sucks. But still normal. [zombie-nunu-tears]

Naramiel5 votes

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It doesn't have to be [sg-janna]

This post matches perfectly with your forum name. <3

rtbf2256182411 votes

Well if you are a Platinum level player, (Speaking from EUW standard), you'll not have much trouble climbing out. It's the equivalent of Gold instead then.

GripaAviara1 votes

Not true, unless you are a hard carry in plat, then yeah. I played with a lot plat players and seen better players in silver than them (no, not implying myself)

rtbf2256182411 votes

You're also on EUNE where the standard decreases by an entire tier compared to EUW. I was on EUNE for 2 years so don't try pulling the "You're biased" argument. It's nowhere near as competitive which was the main reason for my transfer in the first place.

GripaAviara1 votes

That's bullshit, no offense. Have an euw account and played on it, silver elo is the same Maybe if we're talking high elo players, but that's beyond the point

rtbf2256182411 votes

Bear with me, it's a little story to back up my claim.

I started in Season 4. When Gold elo was the holy grail of elo to me. Players actually had respect for each and every tier and macro play was something only Diamond players knew how to do effectively and not every single elo like now.

I was a scrub, ok? I only played easy champions, my computer ran the game at a whopping 15 FPS (Thanks, Stalin, i inherited your pc it seems.) but at least my internet was good. I didn't know item builds, rotations, animation cancelling, orbwalking, champion counters, all champions for that matter, damage numbers, champions abilities, item actives, buff effects, last hitting, attack move. I didn't even know that an Esports scene existed. I also thought that buying several components for an item of the same kind reduced the price of the item faster. Maths fail but i was pretty convinced for a time.

I played my very first 10 provisional games as Veigar Support. I stole as many kills as i could because i thought if i get fed, i can carry. Typical Lux Support mentality i guess but i was never toxic. I was still innocent. I won 6 games out of 10 and i later found out i was playing against actual Gold players. I landed in Silver I which was higher than all of my friends' accounts had ever been at that time.

I climbed out of Silver I in a week because i was struggling with the promos and i literally, i mean LITERALLY could not do anything in teamfights because my computer couldn't handle them. All it took for me to actually carry bot lane was just some mechanical input. I didn't have to stress my ass off because someone sucked on my team as i could make up for it by capitalizing on the enemies' overzealous playstyles.

I later ended up in High-Platinum in Season 5 and i left the place for EUW as my Diamond II friend said that EUW was much better in terms of competition as no competitive teams exist on EUNE nor are there any regional tournaments in there. I had tried getting into Esports on EUNE for quite a time and he basically told me that the tournaments i was in didn't have any significant rewards, nor did they use a well funded host to do so. I was basically competing with people who were playing just for practice for real tournaments.

Not to mention i won a tournament as a Gold V against Challenger/Diamond mixed team. All of them were from EUNE.

After i left for EUW, things got serious. I was placed in Gold IV, i think. A tier lower than i had been at Platinum IV when i transferred and everyone was highly self-aware of their personal limitations on the champions and my limitations. They knew how to coordinate, communicate and execute devastating combos, often with the help of a faster, more skilled jungler.

It's still the case today except that now, this level of skill reaches out from Mid-Silver through Low-Diamond. The only difference being that the higher you climb, the faster your reflexes have to be. The game's now extremely heaviy oriented towards mechanical skill rather than strategic skill that it rarely matters if you're a good tactician or a team-player. If someone loses, it snuffs you out of the game together as a team.

I have 2 smurf accounts on EUNE. People have gotten a little better but i still reach Gold effortlessy in like 15 games after the first 10 for the provisionals.

You are also Silver IV right now so i can see why you find it difficult because obviously, we are at completely different levels but that's just my experience with it.

ChallengerTier1 votes

700 games silver 3 49% wr, this is not a coinlfip this is 100% you dude, don't be delusional

LightIsMyPath1 votes

I have been this way for all the last season and until some days ago in this one. Then about a week ago I came to know the trick of copying your entire lobby in opgg, and started dodging the new players / players on their fall/players in loosing streak. I went from hard stuck middle silver to gold, now I earn 21-24 LP and loose 15. And I lost 5 promos due to disconnections (mine included twice). I don't think I suddenly improved in a week enough to raise from silver 3 to gold 5 in a heartbeat even through some unlucky dc in promos...

ChallengerTier1 votes

400 games is quite different from 700 games, and this guy has been consistently mid silver for the past few months excluding early season. If you are a full fucking tier below what you were last season, you either spammed a fuckton of games last season or you just suck.

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