Not saying Graves is weak but doesnt his late game feel lack luster?

Pyrithegethon·Dec 4, 2015·2 votes·375 views

Yea hes super kiteable late game and does most his damage point blank making him superb vs low range comps but he feels really lacking come late game damage wise outside crits and double Q.

Im not saying hes weak or anything, just that he feels like his late game isnt as rewarding as almost any other ADCs.

Vayne can destroy you in a 1v1 late game.

Sivir can give her team righteous glory.

Twitch can have huge auto range to murder you from a distance.

Draven can have near 2k crits.

MF huge aoe damage.

Im not sure what Graves is, I get he has a shotgun fantasy and I really am living it, just not sure what his late game is all about.

Maybe im playing and building him wrong?

6 Comments

SoundChaosDebugDec 4, 20151 votes

Lee sin needs buffs too!!!

SpoofghoulDec 5, 20151 votes

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

iHerringDec 4, 20151 votes

Not exactly an expert graves player, but I thought a good Graves means there is no late game.

KougaDec 4, 20151 votes

I have only played a couple games with him, but SR and ARAM but so far he is an absolute beast, especially in the late game. Kites or not, once a team fight breaks out he just wades in and deals out ridiculous damage. Especially once you start stacking IE/Crit with those 12 bullets per shot..

AbyssphereDec 4, 20151 votes

I get the feeling that Graves is meant to fall off late compared to other ADCs. He has an exceptional early game, doesn't he?

BergkDec 4, 20151 votes

I think you're building him wrong. I've been playing A LOT of graves this preseason. I can 1-shot any adc at full build. item 3812 item 3508 item 3031 item 3036 item 1316 = my core build

pick from 1 for last item item 3139 item 3156 item 3072

Full build my Q does 1,650 raw damage. That's just 1 Q (there and back again)..... My ult does 1502 raw damage. And because of item 3812 and item 2140 I heal for 19% of the damage done by my abilities... that's STUPID lol

And all that without firing 1 auto. Non-Crits do 598 - 877 raw damage (depending on the number of pellets that hit one single target) Crits do 598 - 2190 raw damage (depending on the number of pellets that hit one single target) THAT'S SO STUPID!!!! lol

You don't need ANY attack speed. You get 3 shots. (2 + 1 dash reload). And with that kind of damage output you don't need more than 3 shots. And while you're reloading you can use your abilities and kite.

Here's my runes/masteries from the most recent game I played http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2027802504/36145653?tab=builds