Why does a 0/6 tank carry a teamfight ?

option paralysis·Feb 27, 2017·28 votes·3,153 views

I don't understand this game anymore. This is the reason I stopped playing top lane. Even if you win vs. someone like maokai and nautilus, morons will press their CC in teamfights and will still be unkillable with a fucking sunfire cape. This is just sad man. I was so hyped today to get diamond 2 again and then we lose the game because nobody can kill a fucking 0/6 nautilus that has CC up the ass. You can't focus him because you get buttfucked by riots golden boy and balanced lethality users. I'm not even mad honestly, I'm just deeply disappointed in the game.

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RalanrFeb 27, 201728 votes

How much farm and assists did he have?

Edit: I get downvoted for asking for information. I feel so loved.

Edit 2: TY for the upvotes guys!

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20178 votes

Here, have an upvote :D

dominusxFeb 27, 20179 votes

i upvoted you too buddy <3

SpoofghoulFeb 27, 20174 votes

Very good question

also tanks will be tanks, they bring cc which doesn't require gold to scale and defense items are cheaper because offense outscales so massively so even if you win lane tanks can rush defense and still be a major asset

if their midgame is taken away they no longer have any strongpoints so if that is what people are asking for then maybe carries should get weaker lategame so tanks can be stronger in late at the cost of midgame strenght

Velzard of KozFeb 27, 20173 votes

He says he was Soraka and toplane Riven bragged in the game about her CS. So chances are it's directly his last game. Naut was there 2/6/10 with 135. However, he might've been speaking about specific teamfight prior to Naut getting the kills and assists.

According to the graph, Naut got the kills around 26 minutes, don't know about assists. Around that moment it was 4 towers Naut's team lost to 3 towers OP's team lost. Naut's team managed to get inhib (only one taken). OP's team was winning but they lost entire gold advantage (that they kept from 5 min to around 30 min) and presumably the game after unsuccessful Baron fight where they lost two towers, 4 players (Eve jungle survived, though she might've still been dead from Naut) and the game was finished circa minute after.

If he shared replay it would be best, though.

dunder killFeb 27, 20171 votes

Just look the guy up. Naut finished the game with 135 CS at 30 minutes. So his farm was abyssmal

DryditchFeb 27, 201713 votes

Because that tank is probably 0/6/12 with 200 farm while you're busy going 6/0 with 130 farm at 20 minutes.

Come on, man. It's simple math.

IcyPepperFeb 27, 20177 votes

It's KDA, not KD for a reason.

option paralysisFeb 27, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Because that tank is probably 0/6/12 with 200 farm while you're busy going 6/0 with 130 farm at 20 minutes.

Come on, man. It's simple math.

I wasn't playing top actually, I had a master tier riven that had 210 cs at 20 mins, I remember specifically because riven bragged how her cs is high. And naut had like 3 assists, but there's nothing you can do about a nautilus and his 4 fucking CC's. I was soraka and even I couldn't heal that shit. I agree that we may have had a bad teamcomp but god damn, if it doesn't bother you that you can lose lane terribly on maokai and nautilus and still win a teamfight then yeah... I remember s5-s6 where every god damn game was a maokai top and I wanted to go insane because I mained wukong. You win lane, doesn't matter, he'd get tanky and more useful than you anway.

RalanrFeb 27, 20178 votes

Honestly it's no surprise that a tank can still be useful after losing lane. Unlike carry top laners, tanks are more there to make sure their team can accomplish stuff in teamfights. As long as they use their CC and utility correctly, then it's gonna look like they never fell behind at all. Unlike a damage top laner who has a much less noticeable effect when behind because what they provide requires items to be more noticeable.

DryditchFeb 27, 20173 votes

Ralanr hit the nail on the head earlier.

Nautilus is there to provide very little except CC. His damage is negligible on its own, and his initiation is either a skillshot or a delayed point and click CC that he should almost never be able to hit on priority targets unless your flanks are unwarded or you let him get way too close.

If you want to make Nautilus a non-factor, treat him like Sejuani, Zac, or Gragas. Ignore his ass and go kill his team that isn't actually getting any defensive stats from having him nearby because he went colossus.

Otherwise, just keep him peeled. Soraka isn't great for that, but there are plenty of supports that can completely invalidate the Holy Diver's presence in a teamfight--Nami, Morgana, and Thresh, just for a few examples. it's nigh impossible to miss a hook on that guy and after that you can just flay him away while your carry mercilessly destroys the enemies.

Chaos Milk TeaFeb 27, 201710 votes

cc is good no matter what. It's why the support role works.

dominusxFeb 27, 20178 votes

heh welcome to the club of tilted diamond players i'm your host WDx here you can sit with the rest toplane players who destroy the lane only for the enemy to press a single button and out perform us in a fight when we are 2 lvls ahead 30cs lead and 2-0 when the enemy is 0-3. On the left side we got cookies with salt its a new recipe made by arcaadian they are pretty good pre game snack to fill your salteries to full. Enjoy your stay.

EedatFeb 27, 20175 votes

You think it's just diamond? I'm a gold shitter and even I lose my shit when a 0/2 Maokai shows up to lane after completing his Sunfire and proceeds to dominate me like it's nothing

dominusxFeb 27, 20172 votes

yeh but the thing is. Ppl can actually do properly timed exhausts and make you useless even if you are ahead. gold cant :P also about lane phase thats just for everyone. i have an easier time cause i play darius and rengar but ik where you come from.

EedatFeb 27, 20172 votes

I main Wukong who actually also has armor pen built into his kit and tanks just shit on me as soon as they grab a chain vest. Then we get people actually complaining that tanks can actually die when people stack 16000 gold worth penetration items to deal with 10000 gold of tank items.

Then when I try to say tank items need to be more expensive or they should be as relevant in the late game people downvote the shit out of me and tell me I'm a fucking idiot.

"Lethality counters tanks teehee XD"

To hell it does. A 800g chain vest counters all three items worth of lethality

RalanrFeb 27, 20173 votes

Lethality+%pen counters tanks. Lethality alone is not going to do jack shit.

The problem with making tanks more relevant late game or increasing their item costs is that tanks by design scale poorly and are kept in check by the better late game scalers. If you made tanks scale well late, then you could turn league into a massive turtle game. Which isn't fun to play or watch.

EedatFeb 27, 20173 votes

Good to know that one I get 16000 gold worth of penetration items somehow when games average 30 minutes I might have a chance of doing relevant damage to a tank

RalanrFeb 27, 20173 votes

Yeah, I sure do love having most of my items made irrelevant when the enemy finally builds a LW. I love wasting money.

EedatFeb 27, 20174 votes

Hey fun fact. Armor and MR exist to literally make AD and AP on items irrelevant to begin with.

RalanrFeb 27, 20173 votes

Fun fact: LDR effectively punishes you for building your intended items. Kinda like Thornmail, and we all know that Thornmail has always been perfectly balanced.

EedatFeb 27, 20172 votes

Fun fact armor actually punished you for building your intended items as well. The entire actual point of armor and MR is to completely ignore a large percentage of AD and AP that people build lmao

RalanrFeb 27, 20173 votes

Armor does not punish the enemy so much as it makes them slightly less effective against that target.

An item like Thornmail does directly punish the target for doing what they should be doing (sustained damage) which is the reason it can never be strong unless it's on an armor stacker like Malphite, Rammus, or Taric. Tanks with heavy focus on stacking armor.

EedatFeb 27, 20171 votes

Tell me exactly how it works one way and not the other? You're complaining that armor pen ignores the stats you bought right? The how the hell is Armor ignoring AD that people buy not an issue then? You want me to factor in that AD costs twice as much as armor too?

RalanrFeb 27, 20172 votes

The complaint about the armor pen ignoring stats is basically a mirror argument of armor ignoring your offensive stats.

The LDR argument is that I'm directly punished for building like I should. If I'm being killed by normal %pen, then it's exactly punishment for building armor, it just makes me less effective. Giant slayer however punishes me for getting a bunch of health by doing more damage based on the health difference.

It's like saying I shouldn't have built so much health. Equivalent to saying you shouldn't have built so much damage to an adc that dies to Thornmail.

MelledoneusFeb 27, 20174 votes

Because if it didn't we'd get blown up in seconds by crit and the overabundance of damage in the game.

IcyPepperFeb 27, 20178 votes

a fucking 0/6 nautilus

Okay dude, you're diamond.

One, you didn't consider assists giving gold.

Secondly, your team (if I'm looking at the correct match) has no tanks at all.

Thirdly, your team is mostly AD with Evelynn as your main source of magic damage.

I mean, I get it, but your team was unbalanced. Nobody's flawless, and pinning the blame solely on a tank being OP is kind of deflecting the blame. I thought Diamonds of all people took responsibility here. Your team composition was flawed, the enemy team had a Lulu, and etc etc. Not to mention your teams were relatively even overall, yet you still try to blame Nautilus here.

Isn't it possible that you guys just lost? Just move on, it's not that huge of a deal.

Hauling AsheFeb 27, 20176 votes

LOL

This board was circlejerking to ADCs being cancer not too long ago. I see we've tired of that and are now actually realizing how oppressive tanks are.

Also, Talon was in the toilet after his rework, according to the boards. That was until your mid lane turned into standing under turret and your bot lane went 0/8 thanks to Talon ganks. I guess Riot really took a crap on those assassins they reworked, huh?

This is why I barely glance at the boards anymore. No wonder Riot doesn't bother consulting the community for balancing issues.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20174 votes

Your name is awesome

Hauling AsheFeb 27, 20172 votes

Thank you! No one will ever suspect who I main. :^)

RalanrFeb 27, 20173 votes

I'm guessing...Urgot?

Hauling AsheFeb 27, 20176 votes

And I even have his Star Guardian skin!

Damn, you're good.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20171 votes

I second Ashe, my main is Shyvana :)

Hauling AsheFeb 27, 20171 votes

I don't second Shyvana. :P

BALDG1VEN BOOMERFeb 27, 20175 votes

0/6 tank carries a team fight but tanks are dying in 2 seconds.

Stay classy boards

RalanrFeb 27, 20174 votes

Only thing killing tanks quickly is the full lethality+%pen builds.

MelledoneusFeb 27, 20174 votes

Or just %pen and crit. Or %HP damage and %pen. Or %HP "fuckyourbuild" true damage.

Sagan ForeverFeb 27, 20172 votes

:) you know us too well. I want to see how they did it, for when I am 0/6 as a tank I pop like a ballon.

IcyPepperFeb 27, 20174 votes

It's like the boards isn't a single-minded entity but rather a collection of diverse individuals?

LuggFeb 27, 20174 votes

That's yet another problem with the game right now. You can stomp your lane, but get no real reward for it. Tanks aren't the only offenders. You can go 10/0 versus a Yas or Irelia, but one they get their second item, they just penta kill your team.

If you do that well shutting down a champion in lane, that champion shouldn't be relevant at all until at least the 30 minute mark.

dominusxFeb 27, 20175 votes

Katarina Fiora Irelia Yasuo + every tank that isnt fucking Sion. lul nice meme breh

MelledoneusFeb 27, 20172 votes

So we're including Shen in that batch? Because last time I checked he has the least of everything out of every tank (except Sion in terms of base stats).

Cosmic WarperFeb 27, 20174 votes

It's called utility. A champion with good utility can be 0/10 and still have a significant impact in fights. Stop complaining about something that has been a part of the game forever

Mira Arya EntheFeb 27, 20173 votes

And so it begins

Bouncemaster ZacFeb 27, 20173 votes

0/6 tanks do not carry fights at all. "Unkillable with just Sunfire." Funny joke.

Gregor GysiFeb 27, 20173 votes

I think tanks are really strong if your team has only one: your opponent has Varus/Jhin who can't really deal with tanks and if you have only 1 tank then everyone is reluctant to build %ARPEN items.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 27, 20172 votes

Tanks "carry" teamfights simply by keeping you from killing the actual carries.

statelesskillerFeb 27, 20172 votes

because it doenst matter how fed you are if you get cced TO DEATH. thats why you play naut and maokai top because they she just into the team fight. CC your highest gold value carry UNTIL THEY DIE, and win the team fight because your team has to kill the tank in the middle of all of you or get cced yourself while at the same time getting freely molested by THERE team because you chose a carry top laner instead of a tank top laner