"Lee Sin falls off dumbass."

option paralysis·Apr 18, 2017·187 votes·7,756 views

Yeah, I like how in a 40 min game with a fucking warrior/cleaver and the rest deadmans and randuins could still one shot me and my fucking adc with rqq. WOOOOOOOOOOOOO he fell off so hard man. I also enjoy the times when for fucking once you have the upper hand on killing him, he just W's away or kicks you away or Q's to something away. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I got outplayed baby. But I'm not saying anything new, I hate this retard champ from the day I started playing league, you have apsolutely no infulence in how you duel him, either HE kills you or HE fucked up. Nothing else. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

k rant done, I feel better now, fuck you lee, you blind fuck.

209 Comments

GULAG 4 UApr 18, 201764 votes

???? http://image.prntscr.com/image/0a8cab0a581140f080148d278f93751e.png

KorZodApr 18, 20173 votes

Most sites only take from plat+. Chances are he's not plat+. Coordinated CC really kills Lee because he has to telegraph everything he does. Q is obviously easy to see where he takes the dash because he has to tag somebody first and moves in a straight line. If he want's to wardhop in, he has to throw a ward down. I think his damage is kinda high yeah, but playing a tank with fast CC (not a big windup like taric or sion) completely craps on Lee. Thresh, Naut, Blitz, Mao, Sej, Graggy or poppy can ruin his day by interrupting his way in, and then he's very dead.

If he actually was ungodly broken and never fell off, he would be 100% PB at every elo. But he isn't, because a good tank can make him useless, and late game he'll just be exploded whenever he tries to go in.

dunder killApr 18, 201710 votes

Chances are he's not plat+.

The Lee Sin he was facing was Plat 2

OP is Diamond 4*

*on EUNE

SwaggyMcGhee420Apr 18, 201741 votes

Yeah, noogies ignores the fact that pretty much any bruiser with 2 damage items can 100-0 an adc with 0 defense items mid to late game.

MissingKayoApr 18, 20178 votes

Deadman's gives damage and killing potential too with the speed up and slow on hit.

TotalJerkApr 18, 20171 votes

It gives 100 damage at max stacks. That isn't a lot on a bruiser late game.

MissingKayoApr 18, 20172 votes

I didn't say it's a lot? But it still offers damage and the bigger thing is the bonus MS anyways which is turned into a slow when the owner hits someone at 100 stacks, which helps prevent escape. So it still helps killing potential, which is what I said originally.

ElikainApr 18, 20172 votes

Deadman's was meant for catching up to someone with its passive mechanic and it gives a small boost to damage as a result. One hundred damage from Deadman's isn't the issue here. And DMP isn't really something anyone should worry about on Lee, making him pop off. His first purchases are damage items so after he affords DMP, he either has kills or he doesn't. When he does purchase DMP, that's mid-late game, where he starts his win rate descent.

So i don't get why is DMP mentioned in "damage" context. It's purpose is to make champions tankier and helps at catching up to people. So it does perform its function, without having any unintended strengths.

3TWarriorApr 19, 20173 votes

item 3742 it's actually 200 damage if fully charged, which is almost always

Only Play DariusApr 18, 20173 votes

I think he just expects champs like Lee to be absolutely useless late game, there are almost no champs like that anymore.

TheCharmingCharmApr 18, 20171 votes

2 damage items?? nah... i got 100-0ed by a darius that i actually beat in lane, but he got 3 mr items (i was playing ekko) and no damage at all. but yet the second he got 5 stacks of his passive on me he just ulted and byebye me :3

SwaggyMcGhee420Apr 18, 20173 votes

Darius is more of a juggernaut, who tends to have more base damage in his kit because he's supposed to build tank with maybe 1 damage item.

GULAG 4 UApr 18, 20172 votes

Worst part is the dude is playing a fucking bruiser, while feeding, and building full ad. This looks like fucking bronze 3, not diamond 4.

SwaggyMcGhee420Apr 19, 20171 votes

Yeah, I don't really know how competitive EUNE solo queue is, but this guy is making me think it's braindead easy to get to diamond there.

option paralysisApr 19, 20171 votes

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Yeah, I don't really know how competitive EUNE solo queue is, but this guy is making me think it's braindead easy to get to diamond there.

Yeah, I guess EUNE server isn't on planet earth. We're somewhere far far away. And I did a rant as I said in the post at the end but everybody took this 1 fucking game on wukong to judge everything on me. I played thousands of games vs. lee and he always makes me think "wow fuck lee and his 4 types of escape". People like you and some other are the reason why I don't like people. You will insult/complain and what not on someone just because of 1 thing they said that you don't agree with. Not like I have over 5000 games on normals and ranked and I can say some stuff in my 3 years of playing the game and 1000++ games on wukong, rather than someone who has 0 games on him. Thanks for all the insults tho man, I really appreciate it, you came off as a really intelligent person there.

SwaggyMcGhee420Apr 19, 20172 votes

You're being hypocritical. You complain how people generalize your skill level because of one game, yet generalize the type of person I am based off of a few comments. I have also played over 5000 normal games, and have actually played Wukong in ranked this season. My main account is toothierosprey3.

GULAG 4 UApr 19, 20172 votes

Don't care about him. He's just bathing in salt right now.

dunder killApr 18, 201738 votes

"The enemy team had a 22/6 Lee Sin but I built pure glass cannon on a melee diver anyway despite having 12 deaths. Why does he still do damage?"

Lol embarrassing

http://imgur.com/a/qzGJb

zarxus1234Apr 18, 201710 votes

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"The enemy team had a 22/6 Lee Sin but I built pure glass cannon on a melee diver anyway despite having 12 deaths. Why does he still do damage?"

Lol

lol its like that no matter what. a couple games ago the 2 kill lee sin 1 shot the 13 kill annie. and then one shot me. stop defending this broken champion.

dunder killApr 18, 201718 votes

http://imgur.com/a/dEEiU

"Well im 2/7/2. Better still build glass cannon then wonder why the 9/3 LeeSin crushes me"

Lol embarassing

zarxus1234Apr 18, 20177 votes

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http://imgur.com/a/dEEiU

"Well im 2/7/2. Better still build glass cannon then wonder why the 9/3 crushes me"

Lol embarassing

Are you retarded? That is a serious question because you didnt even reply to what i wrote. And of course the lee sin is going to dominate. Its lee sin. You have to be terrible to lose as lee sin.

You completely ignore the fact that with 2 kills he one shot annie and me. But go one. Be an idiot.

dunder killApr 18, 201710 votes

Shaco main calling Lee Sin toxic this is funny as fuck xD

zarxus1234Apr 18, 20177 votes

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Shaco main calling Lee Sin toxic this is funny as fuck xD

and you still refuse to even talk about the facts. How the fuck did that get upvoted?

And for the record i would gladly have shaco deleted if lee sin got deleted.

PermabannedGarenApr 18, 20179 votes

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and you still refuse to even talk about the facts. How the fuck did that get upvoted?

Because he's verbally beating your ass lad.

zarxus1234Apr 18, 20176 votes

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Because he's verbally beating your ass lad.

yeah... ignore the facts... flame for losing thats a solid argument. Just so you know he didnt post the right game because thats how little he read what i wrote. He just wanted to flame instead of discuss it.

dunder killApr 18, 20174 votes

http://imgur.com/Hd8XajY

"ignore the facts"

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 18, 201711 votes

The facts? Like the FACT that he falls off hard late game?

TiltoverEnforcerApr 18, 20174 votes

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lol its like that no matter what. a couple games ago the 2 kill lee sin 1 shot the 13 kill annie. and then one shot me. stop defending this broken champion.

Lee isn't broken. About 40-50% of his damage and combo ability is reliant on him landing his Q. If you dodge it or flash it, he won't have much left. Also, Lee is only highly effective for those who can make use of his high skill cap. The player in question has consistently played Lee Sin in ranked ever since season 5. I would argue he is at least comfortable on the champion. As a mediocre Lee Sin player myself, I know that I'm not making the most of his kit, and I just haven't put in the time to fully learn him.

SwaggyMcGhee420Apr 18, 20172 votes

Well she didn't get a single defensive item until 24 minutes in. Name one bruiser that can't beat a squishy like Annie in a 1v1. Lee's not broken. You obviously just don't play around him...

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 18, 20172 votes

Then your Annie is fucking bad.

RalanrApr 18, 201733 votes

"I'm squishy, why does everyone hurt?"

dunder killApr 18, 201733 votes

"I dont understand. I just finished my item 3074 . Why do I still take damage?"

EedatApr 18, 201727 votes

Well what exactly were you expecting when you built MonkeyKing item 3074 item 3111 item 3142 item 3147 item 3156 item 3134 ? To not be squishy? Why'd you expect any AD champs damage to fall off when you built literally zero armor and zero HP?

WiegrafOfValorApr 18, 201718 votes

Argument against his argument instead of attacking the OP, Lee sin is annoying AF and has a lot of get out of the jail cards and most of the time he decide when, where and how the fight will play out, that's ridiculous and one of the factors of why Lee sin never drop out of the meta since release.

EedatApr 18, 201717 votes

I did. His argument is that Lee falls off. However, the reality is that Lee was 22/6 and had item 1408 item 3071 item 3156 item 3742 while the OP legitimately built full glass cannon with absolutely no armor or health. Why on earth would any champion, not just Lee Sin, fall off in these circumstances?

This is just a garbage tier Lee Sin shitpost.

"Why is the 22 kill AD bruiser killing me with 3 damage items when I have 1800 HP and no armor?"

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 18, 20179 votes

Agreed. I hate Lee and ban him. I don't want him on my team. I don't want to risk a good Lee on the enemy team snowballing early either. But the champion is not OP in any way, and falls off hard. All these QQ shit posts make me laugh. If he's so OP, go fucking play him and climb to chellenjour dumbass. Lol.

Sagan ForeverApr 18, 20174 votes

He has no argument. The OP is word vomiting on the page. A lee sin will kill me no matter what;he may be able to kill a squishy, but that does not guarantee success. Also by saying it is impossible to outplay lee sin(hint that is false) without any facts is pointless. When one makes a bold claim they need evidence to prove there point, not the other way around.

WiegrafOfValorApr 18, 201713 votes

OP has good points, yet bunch of butthurt Lee mains keep attacking the guy instead of counter argumenting his points.

What kind of sad community is that?

RalanrApr 18, 201741 votes

Because falling off isn't really a reason to just think the champion is 100% useless. Even Pantheon can kill a squishy late game despite falling off, he just usually dies after.

Lee is annoying and his utility allows him to stay useful late game, but compare his damage to late game champions and it's lower in comparison. You just don't really need high damage to kill squishies.

TotalJerkApr 18, 20171 votes

Utility? He has an a shitty shield and a mediocre slow on his basic abilities. The reason he falls off is that most of his power in a teamfight is gated behind his ult. There are so many other junglers I'd rather have on my team late game.

RalanrApr 18, 20176 votes

Usually when people say late game utility with Lee Sin, I assume they mean his ult.

MorgManBasherApr 18, 201713 votes

Lee Sin is a disgusting champion and no he doesn't fall off. He is relevant all game long, people that say otherwise are delusional.

He can play like a complete idiot and still escape every time he messed up thanks to his short cooldown ult, w ward hopping and Qing jungle camps over walls.

Also very little counter play to a lee sin walking up, ward hopping into you and then Qing you in your face so he can't miss his combo even if he tried.

But the Lee Sin fan boys and Riot will forever keep Lee Sin top tier, sadly.

KONO RUBICK DAApr 18, 201719 votes

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Lee Sin is a disgusting champion and no he doesn't fall off.

just because he can kill ONE PERSON does not mean he doesn't fall off

darius can kill 5 person same for riven and i don't know how many champions who do not fall off

https://i.gyazo.com/2b03f6da162e47c901731d670373eee8.png unlike all of them, lee falls off, his win rate falls off like a cliff

because killing one dude isn't helpful when the others kill multiple of them

but board is fcking trash and dumb, and will upvote this thread

JmmanApr 18, 20173 votes

You realize that averages out to a 51.5 win rate. I'm sure its higher because how my games go the full 40 to 50 min length?

Funny thing about Stats is you can make them say what every you want them to. (not being mean but you honestly can) That is why you have to also post other stats proving the first. Like Play rate. average length of matches and what not.

KONO RUBICK DAApr 18, 20175 votes

idgaf about that, he still falls off like it is shown saying the opposite is a straight lie to any players of this game

Lee sin has actually an average of 49.8% win rate http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/leesin/platinum

get your facts corrected

JmmanApr 18, 20172 votes

I understand the graph. it just averages it out for the plat plus players. It wasn't across the board. And the find the "Real" win rate it will have to take the % of win and then apply a value to this for the longer the game goes on. So you would have to do Bronze to master and LCS to get his real win rate.

What you post is something from plat up. Meaning you are missed 80% (?) of the player base. Now how are you only showing the stats to back up your claim? And the play rate.... must be because he is just fun to play. Not that he has an advantage in the jungle.

Edit: I find it really funny that kids now days don't understand math. or how to use stats. ITS A SOURCE. not a total says all picture of the situation. and to only pick an outliner (meaning a small sample size like plat plus) really shows well for your schooling

Edit 2: what they did is say the average game time is 34 min. SO he is going to have a 49.8% win rate in plat plus. Now is might be that lee average game length is only 25 to 30 mins instead of the 34. this would change 3 to 5% increase (I can't find average game length by champs anywhere on net) Long story story is they only guess-mate them. Now I'm going to say for projection or estimate reason this is good enough. But Rito does have this data. So the question is why don't they show the facts and number with the nerfs/buffs?

Edit 3: going from 55.5% win rate to 48.5% isn't really dropping off bro (didn't use plat plus)

EedatApr 18, 20173 votes

Lee sin has a 47% win rate if you factor in all ELOs. Your argument is completely invalid

https://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

FiddlesOnTheRoofApr 18, 20173 votes

How can you say that when the statistics clearly contradict you? I dislike the champ, and ban him every game, but even I acknowledge that he falls off the edge of a cliff later in the game.

TiltoverEnforcerApr 18, 20175 votes

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Lee Sin is a disgusting champion and no he doesn't fall off. He is relevant all game long, people that say otherwise are delusional.

He can play like a complete idiot and still escape every time he messed up thanks to his short cooldown ult, w ward hopping and Qing jungle camps over walls.

Also very little counter play to a lee sin walking up, ward hopping into you and then Qing you in your face so he can't miss his combo even if he tried.

But the Lee Sin fan boys and Riot will forever keep Lee Sin top tier, sadly.

People say he falls off because he's (usually) not very good at larger team fights. Most of his damage comes from his Q, R, and autos. Those are all single target abilities, with the exception of his R, but only if the Lee Sin can line up a kick to knockup multiple targets (which will happen more often for good Lee Sin players than bad ones). In the early game, he excels because of his fantastic dueling, high base damages, and exceptional gank ability. His usefulness kinda drops off later because the game no longer focuses on duels and lane ganks, but rather full team fights and picks. Lee is good at catching picks, but he often lacks the tankiness or escape tools to survive diving a team alone, so his playstyle generally focuses on catching out targets who overextend.

The difference between a good Lee Sin player and a bad one is that a good Lee player can extend Lee's usefulness into the late game, beyond flash-ulting the enemy carries. Lee is obviously a champion which relies on a large amount of mechanical skill. His kit naturally rewards high skill levels.

Now, let's see what you said:

"People that say otherwise are delusional." - Ad hominem logical fallacy that stifles conversation and assumes your position as correct.

"He can play like a complete idiot and still escape every time he messed up" - then you obviously aren't correctly responding to his mistakes. If he really is misplaying, you can easily land one CC ability on him and burst him down. He really isn't super tanky.

"Also very little counter play [sic] to a lee sin walking up, ward hopping into you and then Qing you in your face" - why did you let him walk up to you? Even if he does it from brush, wards are a thing. There is no excuse for being caught out. He either outplayed you, or you were overextending without proper ward coverage. If you see him coming, you have all the time in the world to back off. Disengaging is the ultimate counterplay. Don't give him the opportunity to walk up when you have the disadvantage. The thing about his W is that he doesn't teleport to the ward instantaneously, it has a travel time. Yes, it's fairly quick, but during that time you can use a movement ability or flash away, or predict which direction he's going to fire his Q in.

"But the Lee Sin fan boys and Riot will forever keep Lee Sin top tier, sadly." - Wasn't there a thread called "I know I'm going to get downvoted by X mains"? It spoke precisely about this. I quote, " Putting that in attacks the opposition, instead of trying to prove your point. You attack people who actually disagree with you, who aren't mains, by labeling them as something negative, and you're attacking those mains who are willing to have a discussion. You're saying that your argument is pretty much infallible, and the only reasons you're being downvoted is some asshole main who is too biased to see the truth." Also, blaming Riot and the players who take advantage of a kit that rewards skilled play doesn't help your case. If Lee Sin is really broken, requires no skill, and can infallibly escape even after he's messed up, why not take advantage of him? It merely shows your inability to accept that you got outplayed. And what's this about being "top tier"? Lee Sin has the 115th highest win rate in League of Legends, meaning there are only about 20 champions who lose more often than he does.

I rest my case.