Fun fact. Roughly 88% of Vaynes damage is physical.

Marshbouy··40 votes·2,430 views

According to http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/champions/damage-dealt?region=all&tier=platinum&period=week at least. In plat her physical damage is 106,873, while her total damage dealt is 120,852. That's not even counting magic damage from various other sources too.

Just because she deals some true damage does not mean building armor vs her is worthless, you are still negating essentially 88% of her damage.

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LadyRenly32 votes

according to gameplay/balance, vayne deals 100% true damage

Eedat19 votes

Wrong. 110% true damage

Ariel the Cruel12 votes

On her first AA.

General Esdeath 3 votes

And has 3.0 attack speed

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Average boards logic

THE RlVER KlNG24 votes

Fun fact, that's because her best built right now is the two-shot crit build. When your Q does 495% AD when it crits, and you kill someone in two autos before you get the third hit, of course her physical damage is higher than ever.

Akali is SO HOT14 votes

Well that's because she 100-0s you before she gets her 3rd auto attack off so she doesn't deal as much true damage.

LankPants8 votes

This is all damage dealt, to everything, over the course of the whole game. Towers don't take true damage from Vayne's W and most of Vayne's damage VS creeps is last hitting, so no Silver Bolts procs.

Against champs the skew was closer to 67/33% when she used her AS build, I imagine that's come down a lot now though.

Something worth considering though is that once you have about 100 armour, armour becomes very inefficient for countering Vayne. There is no efficient way to build against Vayne, that's why she's so persistently a balance problem.

PB4UAME1 votes

Especially since our attack speed slows are a shadow of their former selves.

Aptest1 votes

naaa.

its more an issue of being able to deal with tanks translating to completely and utterly deleting non tanks.

actually the more "% hp" damage we have an an ADC's build, as opposed to flat "crit", the more healthy they are for the game as a whole.

TyroneWatermelon8 votes

Fun fact,if you go full tank her damage would be 40% True damage

Shadòw7 votes

her current issue isn't the true Damage as she already kills you with 1 fcking Q.

and, apart of that, the statistic you are showing is total Damage dealt. that means all Damage she deals in the Game, with all Minion last hits where she doesn't proc her passive.

Her % of true Damage dealt is way higher against Champions.

Danjeng4 votes

The funny thing is her Silver Bolt's deal 12% max hp damage.

Mysticman893 votes

Yeah people just think every 3 autos does a chunk of true damage, and forget that that means they're also getting hit by 3 autos, which late game is going to be a huge amount of damage from an adc.

Particularly with her builds lately which are more crit focused then AS anyway, where some squishies are quite realistically going to die by the 3rd shot even without the true damage.

Marshbouy7 votes

Pretty much this. Building item 3047 item 3143 item 3110 basically makes her deal no damage too, along with reducing her AS so that she can't proc the true damage as often.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

dont you dare try to reason with how to reduce her damage unless you want her deleted from the game you will be downvoted into forum hell lol

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

been there. done that. I highly recommend the the Jacuzzi!

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

it used to be around 75% lmao. because of the q buffs as someone who played rammus and malphite and tanks before. I've been chunked for 1500 true damage from vaynes before.

point stands is that shes going to kill tanks very quickly regardless anyway. with ldr. she will still do a lot of physical damage to tanks no matter how much armor you build

Catastrop4 votes

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as someone who played rammus and malphite and tanks before. I've been chunked for 1500 true damage

Somehow I don't believe you.

ABlueQuaker11 votes

I believe him only because the more resistances you build, the more heavily Vayne relies on her W for damage. Therefore she is, in fact, dealing much more True Damage. That said, it still takes a lot longer to cut through them.

Catastrop1 votes

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the more heavily Vayne relies on her W for damage. Therefore she is, in fact, dealing much more True Damage.

I still see no problem though, she's an ADC and she's dshing out autos on a tank. The fact that she has some true damage should be a non-issue in this scenario because she's going to shred the tank anyway by virtue of being an adc. She just does it slightly easier.

The only issue I think Vayne has is the stupid Q crits. She was fine before this change, it just gave her pretty excessive single target burst against squishies.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

There is no issue. That was literally the point of my reply. I KNOW what the actual issue with Vayne is and Silver Bolts has nothing to do with it.

Sona Ping2 votes

I don't believe him because "I've been chunked for 1500 true damage" is implying he had 12k+ health.

RottedApples2 votes

sion main detected.

morris13 votes

I don't think he means "1500 true damage" from a single W proc.

Ziovi2 votes

your comment implies that he means he got that much damage from a single W proc, but i don't read that anywhere.

ProfDrDeath3 votes

So, he only had 1500/0.12 = 12500 HP. No big deal.

Mama Soraka2 votes

You telling me you don't build item 3083item 3083item 3083item 3083item 3083item 3083 plus full percent health runes? :P

Need Gold 4 Tent1 votes

needs to replace one of them with item 1413 and previous season's Strength of Spirit maxed out. I never got to try it though, went Sion in a bot game trying to see the max I could get but the other guys ended too quick.

morris12 votes

I don't think he means "1500 true damage" from a single W proc.

Jax Cramer2 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Plat+ data says she does 75% physical dmg and 18% true dmg which is still ALOT.

Marshbouy1 votes

that's only about 5% more than what i said she dealt from my sites. My point still stands.

Jax Cramer2 votes

18% true dmg is alot. For comparison, Irelia who maxes W (which is her main source of dmg) only does 17% true dmg.

JedenVojak1 votes

Olaf does 25% true damage. What's your point?

Jax Cramer1 votes

He goes full tank

LankPants2 votes

There's a reason for that. That is the proportion of true damage dealt over the course of a game to ALL targets. Irelia doesn't always farm with true damage, she only does this to CS under tower or heal. If Vayne's not pushing she won't be dealing true damage to creeps. Olaf on the other hand uses his E to farm jungle, he also tends to hit jungle camps with red buff quite a bit.

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/vayne/jungle http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/irelia/jungle

When Vayne or Irelia are played jungle they see a spike in true damage compared to their average.

Melledoneus2 votes

It used to be higher. Now she just builds crit and the true damage is a bonus to her.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.

Tobias Brackner2 votes

Goodness gracious, actual facts?? No vague statements assumed to be true without support???

Surely this will deter all the QQ threads!

Spoofghoul2 votes

well maybe true

but vs tanks that number is different

DunkinNoobs2 votes

88% of her damage in the game is physical. Her damage against champs is around 78%, and that number goes down massively the more armor and hp you build, for obvious reasons. Not to say that those things are useless against her; just not as useful.

ElegantDoge2 votes

Actually,armor is good but you need attack speed reduction more than anything against her. Randuin and Frozen heart are the way to go.

Aptest2 votes

only 88%? my data says more.

anyway this proves it. all the %HP true damage QQ is bullshit.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Her 3rd AA is the one that deals 10% max HP true damage. So let's say you have 1,000 HP and her AAs do 100 damage. Every 3 AAs, she'll be doing 300 physical damage and 100 true damage. Since her AAs deal damage and she needs 3 of them to proc the true damage, her physical damage should totally be at least 75% ish. Then if you add up the lane harass where you only AA the enemy 1-2 times, or when you kill the enemy before your 3rd AA (so maybe you kill them with 5 AAs.)

Basically, in a 1v1 fight the true damage is going to matter a lot. But across the entire game it doesn't matter as much, mostly because during laning and 5v5s once you see you have two stacks on you, you tend to move away to not take the 3rd.

PB4UAME1 votes

Just a note, its 12% max HP true damage.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

WTF REALLY? OP WOW RITO PLS NERF.

I actually didn't know that though lol. Thanks

PB4UAME1 votes

They gave it to Vayne when they nerfed BotRK, as it used to be 10%, and even earlier than that it was only 8%.

Oh, and they are buffing BotRK again, when Vayne's already stronk.

azrolator1 votes

70x5 = 350 x 250% = 875 plus 350 x 495% = 1732 is 2600 damage. A lot of squishies are going to die to a crit build before the third shot even goes off even if they started at full health. a full on tank is going to mitigate a lot of that physical damage and still take a lot from the true damage. But building armor is obviously not going to "negating essentially 88% of her damage." Once you get up to 100 or so, it really starts to drop off. even if you get up around 65 percent AD reduction, that is still going to leave physical doing more. Just had a game and watched our vayne take a squishy to maybe 1/4 - 1/3 health from full in 1 q. AS vayne is on the way out.

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

That feeling when it doesn't matter that you're Rammus because even if you are the best possible itemization vs her AD you'll just go to your death screen with 1300 true damage on it because being able to itemize against vayne is bad

=riot games.

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