what's the fcking counterplay to your point and click one thousand range ressourcless 0.5 sec 10000 damage crit AA?
yeah shut up tanks are not healing bags for your sake, this game has gotten stupid with the amount of draintanking and teamfights are already lasting enough time we don't need draven to heal 15 hp bar with death dance
jesus
Big Lincoln6 votesgrievous wounds on tanks cucks more than ranged ADs
Ahristocats3 votesyou have other classes that hits tanks 24/7 to make use of the 1 sec gw? because i don't
Salron1 votesMelee ADCS? Any champion with burst sustain?
An Ekko that hits a tank to proc his passive After Q applies to stacks and then finds that he needs to ult immediately after?
Ahristocats2 votesekko can wait 1 sec and use ult IN MOST CASES, he has no business to KEEP attacking a tank
tanks are not healing bags for melee carries as well
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uV69F09v,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-28T23:07:43.299+0000)
Melee ADCS? Any champion with burst sustain?
An Ekko that hits a tank to proc his passive After Q applies to stacks and then finds that he needs to ult immediately after?
assassins are not meant to fight tanks and bruisers, unless these champions are already very low on health.
most auto attack dependent bruisers have enough mr in their kits or base mr and base health to make the damage return less impactful.
if youre thinking about champions like 
i really dont think the grievous wounds and damage return will hurt them that much. they generally have enough resistances to still deal with the tank.
Big Lincoln6 voteshello?
??? any juggernaut besides Darius and Garen?
not to mention champs like warwick and aatrox
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uV69F09v,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-06-28T23:20:34.341+0000)
hello?
on the other hand we can make use of the item ourselves.
imo fighting a tank with grievous wounds will still turn out in favour of the juggernaut simply due to higher base damage and similarly high resistances and health.
but fighting a marksman with lifesteal and grievous wounds wont. now juggs have their own gw item to fight back.
i admit its really ridiculous how the relationship between health sustain and gw is so broke that everyone needs a gw item in this game. but unless they find a way to fix the situation at a basic level, i take this for now.
Big Lincoln1 votesi admit its really ridiculous how the relationship between health sustain and gw is so broke that everyone needs a gw item in this game. but unless they find a way to fix the situation at a basic level, i take this now.
lifesteal should just be nerfed, plain and simple
either it doesn't get affected by crit for burst healing or the lifesteal amount just gets lowered for most items, but it needs to change
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uV69F09v,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-28T23:35:24.788+0000)
lifesteal should just be nerfed, plain and simple
either it doesn't get affected by crit for burst healing or the lifesteal amount just gets lowered for most items, but it needs to change
nerfing lifesteal doesnt fix the entire relationship between gw and health sustain though.
i mean agree, lifesteal needs nerfs. it would probably be easist to make some of the ls on items same name passives and remove lifesteal entirely from 
but historically, health sustain and gw always has been problematic on of the two was always way too strong. this always becomes obvious when 
or and similar champions become meta.
Eedat3 votesforgot a few 
Mordepool1 votes
Come on man.
DJMason881 votesLike, literally any Juggernaut except Dar and Garen?
MavenSong3 votesDude, if your post wasnt just salt and anger maybe you wouldnt get instantly downvoted. It amazes me people think mindless salt is going to make anyone take them seriously.
Ahristocats3 votesdude? it's been months that i said i don' tcare about downvotes, yeah i know it's going to be downvoted because i wrote it like this
but this post was not made to do upvotes, this post is just here to show how adc mains complain about thornmail counterplay when adc AA already have less counterplay
MavenSong2 votesall i got from it is youre mad. If the post is just salt, the salt usually overrides the point.
meowwow71 votesi wouldn't be worrying about the gw but the damage from the 10% extra armor when it comes to rammus or malphite
Evêñtfûl Hôrïzôñ1 votesThornmail has always dealt bonus damage scaling with your armor though.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesWhy are you worried about 25 + 10% bonus armor scaling?
Live Thornmail reflects damage equal to 15% of the autoattack's damage + 25% bonus armor.
meowwow71 votesit's the combo and if you taunt mages it's going to do more since it's a flat amount before the armor
xWaters1 votestell em!
Evil Yasuo1 votesI'm giving you a thumbsup because I agree.
IJustPwnedYou1 votesi think that it should be only one, reflect damage or apply Grievous Wounds in one item . Having 2 in one item that cost 2900 is a bit too much i think
ChemicalBuster1 votesi havent seen any complaints about that in game or boards
Sir Yamazuki2 votesi havent seen any complaints about that in game or boards
There's multiple complaints about data found on Thornmail having a mini version with both applying GW for 1 second when the buyer is basic attacked. Funny that's bad when ADs get to apply GW for 5 seconds on all physical damage.
SwiftKitten881 votesas a person who plays 
honestly.. this change is well overdue...
DJMason881 votesThis post is just anger, salt and extreme exaggeration.
Scary Door1 voteswhat's the fcking counterplay to your point and click one thousand range ressourcless 0.5 sec 10000 damage crit AA?
Classic low effort shit post, full of hyperbole and salt.
Downvote, move on.
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