[{quoted}](name=Sadistic Veigar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uAFjEGNY,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-26T10:30:28.840+0000)
I know, but people complain because Veigar kills them with no counterplay. He has a delayed stun and a skillshot Q, my point here is that Veigar (while strong as shit) is still a weaker version of his old self.
the people's problem, that they refuse to dive him or counterbuild at all. they dont realize hes low mobility, low hp, and his only defense is flash, and just reaching him means you've won, thats all you have to do.
they're too scared to organize a flash forward or pick someone with a strong initiation tool like elise/lee sin/khazix, and literally pick on veigar, and they certainly cant pick a poke champion like xerath and 2 Q's and veigar would be dead. or jayce even who could take the burst, and then pummel him.
veigar has tons of counterplay, counterbuilds, and mechanisms with which to keep him down, people complain about the rare and few late game veigars who dominates the late game, who has a ton of AP farm. and used to be able to land the sliver consistently with tons of practice and veigar games on their belt and "thats broken".
but its ok, we both know veigar still isn't squishy full damage build.
"what would olaf or tryndamere do to a veigar"
what does hecarim do to him? runs from edge of stun to edge of stun and puts his big hoof on his face.
what does rammus do? take the full burst, laughs because it was nothing to him, and then taunts him for a free solo kill, or a team mate can come in and last hit the little minion.
but the real complainers are the ADC's and mid laners who dont understand how to deal with veigar properly and the tools at their disposal to manage him.
soakedcommunity
and im excluding the AD champions because they need to auto. but its not just veigar who could deal 1312damage with "just 2 abilities. "
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