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Why isn't anyone complaining about Trundle?

Masala Chai··4 votes·2,336 views

Trundle's level 1 base damage is so freaking high at 60, and his sustain in lane is absolutely massive with his passive. His Chomp (Q), basically ensures that he comes out on top in every trade with an AD steroid and a AD debuff to his target, 80% bonus attack speed, 40% movement speed, and 20% increased health regen and healing. His E is just his pillar of ice that does way more than an Anivia wall because of the knockup and the resulting slow.. His ult, does max health magic damage which makes him a tank shredder, and also makes him tankier by stealing 20% of the enemies' armor and magic resist. Pretty much the only way to deal with this troll king is to play Lulu, Nidalee, Gangplank or Lissandra top lane, and you poke him and zone from minions before his passive kicks in.

Might be just me, but Trundle needs a nerf, especially when he's sitting at a 55.56% winrate in toplane, and 54.49% in the jungle..

Thoughts? Please provide actual decent feedback and not just "Oh My God! What a silver noob complaining about Trundle! Look at Lee Sin! WTF about Yasuo? Zed is so freaking OP! Rengar has no counterplay!" Keep this related to Trundle. Please.

FYI, only one I would agree with on that list of OP champions is Rengo, only thing there is for you to do is Zhonya's and hopes that he just deletes the toxic as f ADC instead.

Update: Here's the list of every Trundle vs toplaner winrate:

vs Lissandra 45.37 vs Urgot 41.93 vs Cassiopeia, 47.61 Ryze 48.22 Gangplank 45.22 Sion, 45.03 Teemo, 50% Malphite 48.01% Lulu 50% Kayle 51.04% Riven 54.78% Jax 54.27% Aatrox 57.14% Quinn 55.88% Ekko 57.03% Fiora 55.11% Pantheon 56.13% Tahm Kench 52.27% Gnar 54.46% Jayce 57.73% Rengar 54.86% Renekton 56.74% Heimerdinger 56.04% Warwick 51.02% Tryndamere 54.79% Shyvana 57.14% Irelia 56.89% Wukong 60.33% Kennen 57.69% Shen 51.6% Yasuo 61.16% Vladimir 55.07% Nasus 54.17% Volibear 53.93% Swain 71.18% Darius 58.31% Cho'Gath 55.55% Jarvan IV 61.06% Taric 58.33% Dr. Mundo 53.92% Garen 56.98% Maokai 63.07% Singed 58.43% Hecarim 57.14% Zac 59.09% Rumble 67.47% Poppy 63.4% Yorick 60.29% Olaf 58.88% Illaoi 63.13%

Straight off of Champion.gg

20 Comments

xShiNjiNx4 votes

Yeah he is strong in 1v1s.. funny story though, he can be kited pretty damn hard. Oh and rengar isn't OP, you just lack the ability to position yourself properly.

Masala Chai2 votes

I would say he would be pretty sticky with a 75% slow on his chomp, a base movement speed of 350, a movespeed steroid, and a knockup, just my cup of tea. And I did say the only champions that can really beat him are ranged casters/ kiters. You can only really counterpick him. SO if you are going Darius or Fiora top lane. You are really screwed.

Dreadlocks2 votes

I have consistently beat trundles top with Olaf (which sounds weird given the stats on champion.gg) but i i have... and shen is my other favorite option vs trundle.

Masala Chai2 votes

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I have consistently beat trundles top with Olaf (which sounds weird given the stats on champion.gg) but i i have... and shen is my other favorite option vs trundle.

Trundle actually has a 58.88% winrate vs Olaf, so you must really good at that. Trundle also has a 51.18% winrate vs Shen, so you actually might be pretty good at those champs. Or the Trundles might be just really bad.[slayer-jinx-wink]

Dreadlocks2 votes

yeah i did find it a little odd, but i do kind of "main" olaf and shen.. They are my 3rd and 4th highest mastery.. And idk, ive played vs trundles between plat 5 and diamond 5 and won in these match ups.. I really dont know though. I think with the trundle and olaf match up you have to be very careful with how you play the first few levels... For shen, i just play passive and survive the lane w.o feeding. And if i get a gank, its usually pretty easy to get a kill.

Beldair1 votes

I've killed Trundle as Renekton, Shen, Maokai, Garen, and Evelynn.

Spicy Rice1 votes

And iv'e top laned agaibst him as yasuo and went 6/0 by 13 mins

Masala Chai1 votes

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And iv'e top laned agaibst him as yasuo and went 6/0 by 13 mins

That's because the Trundle was bad, Trundle wins 61% of the time vs Yasuo in plat+ ranked.

Masala Chai1 votes

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I've killed Trundle as Renekton, Shen, Maokai, Garen, and Evelynn.

look at statistics above for this patch. Couldn't find any statistics for Eve

Beldair1 votes

Wasn't a ranked match....

junglerboy164 votes

That's because Trundle is designed to specifically counter bruisers. If you pick Darius or Fiora and they pick a Trundle, its YOUR FAULT for letting yourself be counter picked.

P.S. his Q slow lasts for 0.1 second, which isn't enough to even be visible, all it does is compensate for the laggy animation his chomp has.

Masala Chai2 votes

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Masala Chai1 votes

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and pretty much everything else, he has a 55.88% winrate vs Quinn, 54.46 vs Gnar, and 57.73 vs Jayce. They're all very much mobile in both of their kits. The only champions that Trundle has a sub 50% winrate with is Lissandra (45.37 out of 108) Urgot (41.93 out of 31), Cassiopeia, Ryze, GP, Sion(strange), Teemo, and Malphite (also strange). Grasp of the Undying synergizes way too well with his passive.

Elkington IV1 votes

Darius I can understand, but Fiora does well against Trundle. She builds all damage and unless he builds all damage he'll lose in duels once she picks up Hydra.

junglerboy161 votes

He steals AD with his Q, and his health and resist drain (while ineffective against her true damage for the most part) helps him out survive the majority of her burst. That and since he is a strong drain tank and a lane bully he can shut her down early by taking what are normally really bad trades and then just sustaining off of the wave with his passive.

In fact, the only AD bruiser type that I've had any significant trouble against as Trundle is Illoai. I just hate laning against her.

MorganFreemanBot2 votes

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I would say he would be pretty sticky with a 75% slow on his chomp, a base movement speed of 350, a movespeed steroid, and a knockup, just my cup of tea. And I did say the only champions that can really beat him are ranged casters/ kiters. You can only really counterpick him. SO if you are going Darius or Fiora top lane. You are really screwed.

Then you'd be retarded. Don't falsely advertise what Trundle does.

The 75% slow on Champ lasts for a quarter of a second, it's only there so he's not left in the dust while he does the (rather long) animation.

His movement steroid is static and on the ground; if he's chasing a fleeing target he can only get half of its large 'area' to give him movespeed before he's off and on his own again.

His knockup is miniscule, about 0.25 seconds again.

Cherry picking Trundle's abilities and saying "A 75% snare! A knockup! A move speed steroid!" will make him look broken, but the same is true of every champion if you quote their abilities totally out of context and only give raw numbers which benefit your argument. Anivia has a massive attack speed slow and snare which lasts as long as she wants and affects multiple people, she has an AoE stun with a long duration which hits very hard, she has one of the largest point-and-click nukes in the entire game with a low cooldown and a long range, she can even create impassable terrain and when she dies she doesn't die but comes right back!

Like I said, quoting champion abilities with no context or numbers to represent your argument is shitty.

As someone who's played trundle as my main in at least one roll since his rework (he was my main top laner after his rework, then when Devourer came out he's been my main jungler and my second best top laner since then) I could counter your points. I could indicate how Trundle's self healing is pretty weak in lane - he only gets an average of 5 hp per creep most of the early game. I could point out that his pillar is pretty terrible as an engagement tool in most cases, because despite it's 'knock up' and snare he still has to run at the person, so even champs without a dash can easily walk away; and if they have a dash they can use it against him. I'm tempted to even take the time to point out that yes, many champions will suffer if they stand on Trundle's AoE buff zone and trade auto attacks him with... And then counter that point by saying that if you play into ANY champion's strengths you'll suffer for it.

At the end of the day though, I don't need to. I don't need to because you said that Fiora and Darius top suffer against trundle, which is hilarious. Both of them absolutely shit on trundle with no question's asked. Darius does the "sit there and brawl" thing better than Trundle, and Trundle lacks the dashes / range he needs to avoid being easily hit by Q and giving Darius a top of free damage and health.

Fiora can stun trundle for chomping. Let that sink in for a moment. Trundle's only non-ulti damaging ability, something he uses a lot and very predictably, can lead to him being nuked and stunned by Fiora. Fiora also has what Trundle hates; dashes. And it's worse because her dashes let her unload a ton of % max health true damage into his face, then slink away unmolested as soon as Trundle decides he wants to fight back.

Trundle is strong but he's far from broken. He's one of the most easily kited champions in the game and has very clear, very easily exploited weaknesses. Yes, he is one of the best duelists in the game but he also has a lot of trouble getting people to stand there and fight him like he wants to; and many of the ones who would be willing to (Jax, Fiora, Darius) are capable of beating him in that situation.

Masala Chai1 votes

"and many of the ones who would be willing to (Jax, Fiora, Darius) are capable of beating him in that situation."

So then why doesn't Trundle have a sub 50% winrate vs all of those said champions?

Trundle has 55.11 winrate vs Fiora, 58.31 winrate vs Darius, and a 54.27 winrate vs Jax. Statistics do not lie. I wasn't aware that Trundle's Q is a disable, because it's just a slow. Fiora's tool tip says so therefore she can't parry it for ze stun.

ThePartyLeader2 votes

Trundle is high win rate due to the pure tank meta where many teams are running a pure tank such as mundo that trundle highly counters. Not saying his laning isn't good but the meta highly favored him

Sukishoo1 votes

Oh noes! 60 damage! Noooo. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Bill Gatez1 votes

According to Pants are Dragon's Solo Que Top Lane Tier list 5.24, Trundle is a top 3 laner in the top lane. He's Challenger so I'd assume he has some sound reasoning to back up that top 3 ranking. Trundle is strong atm due to the meta and synergy with masteries.

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