Riot, I'm concerned that the mana changes will put us back where we started.

Masala Chai·4/19/2018, 4:55:19 PM·80 votes·18,021 views

Where Archangel's (or to a great extent, Tear) becomes a mandatory buy for mages and some supports such as Sona or Nami, similar to how Morellonomicon was a mandatory buy on nearly every AP midlaner barring more obvious exceptions, such as Katarina, and Vlad.

This would effectively negate any possibility that Hextech GLP or Luden's could vie for top tier since Archangel's would be the only mana item that would have enough mana to adequately support a poke based champion (the niche designed for those champs), and the same to apply for GLP for certain control mages.

So this now leads us to the same old Morellonomicon to whatever AP item your champion needs.

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AMYS GRAVE4/19/2018, 5:47:53 PM70 votes

Its almost as if riot doesn't learn from their past mistakes ....

Dorans Pants4/19/2018, 6:47:55 PM39 votes

1 step forwards, 2 steps back as is tradition.

Ztoka4/19/2018, 9:02:08 PM11 votes

Just wait w/ more mages being forced to build archangel's, riot will nerf it again w/ some cheesy statement like, too many mages were building this item.. WTF do you expect? You want to have a chance to sustain mana, here, build this one item.. Then they wonder why champs who are ap and need mana build the only real ap mana regen item. I consider grail/sensor support items.

SweedishGunner4/19/2018, 6:51:39 PM7 votes

Yeah this is already happening before the mana nerfs, Tear is already the most prevelant AP item.

Ludens isn't competitive with old Morellos and GLP isn't the same for mana as the old GLP as it doesn't have the Eternity passive from Catalyst.

Both Ludens and GLP need some form of mana refund to be useful.

SpecterVonBaren4/19/2018, 9:36:38 PM5 votes

Tear is not a mandatory buy on Nami and I've never seen a Nami buy it outside of ARAM.

Risen294/20/2018, 2:34:24 AM3 votes

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Where Archangel's (or to a great extent, Tear) becomes a mandatory buy for mages and some supports such as Sona or Nami, similar to how Morellonomicon was a mandatory buy on nearly every AP midlaner barring more obvious exceptions, such as Katarina, and Vlad.

This would effectively negate any possibility that Hextech GLP or Luden's could vie for top tier since Archangel's would be the only mana item that would have enough mana to adequately support a poke based champion (the niche designed for those champs), and the same to apply for GLP for certain control mages.

So this now leads us to the same old Morellonomicon to whatever AP item your champion needs.

You're wrong, because mana use to be more limited but archangels was rarely built in that time. Because it didn't use to have any CDR.

Archangels is only the go-to item because it gives mages the trinity of stats they want: AP, CDR, and mana.

Take away the CDR if you don't want people buying archangels all the time. Of course then they'll just all buy Ludens. Luden's didn't use to have CDR either.

Before that it was Morello, for the same reason. AP/CDR/Mana.

No matter what item it is, if it has those three stats in abundance it's always going to be the go-to mage item.

So, limited mana is never the problem with the design. The problem is with overloaded items that do everything you want in large quantity, so you aren't forced to make real choices between AP, CDR, or Mana itemization.

Athenes Lulu4/19/2018, 7:42:10 PM3 votes

Supports... what?

The only notable change for supports is the mana regen removal on spellthiefs. Am I missing something?

[sg-lux-2]

Canidae4/19/2018, 10:23:55 PM3 votes

Who buys tear on Nami...

ThePikol4/19/2018, 7:17:13 PM1 votes

And then Riot will nerf Archangel