They seem about the same now. Gee I wonder how that happened.
Riven spams and ability and does some flips as her core game play. Aatrox now spams an ability and does some flips, as his core game play.
Riot succeeded in their quest of attraction new players who are of the lowest common denominator.
You gusy won't care until they take a champion YOU love and turn him or her into some Riven variant because Riot cares more about the new players than the do the old.
Wilyum5 votesThis comparison is a fallacy, Lux, Morgana, Taric, and Ivern all play around one hard cc skill shot; therefore, they all have the same core gameplay. This is true all of their play is focused around landing a skill shot based hard cc, but none of them are the same nor are they comparable to each other. Comparing an Undying, healing, Warmachine and a hard cc, mobile, burst champion is ridiculous. They may have one similar skill but their gameplay is completely different. Comparing them is like saying Zyra and Heimerdonger are the same cause they each have little self-made minions that focus champions.
DarkinPrime1 votesLux and morgana are very similar. They both have an aoe, a shield, an skill shot stun and an aoe ult.
Wilyum4 votesJust because they are similar does not mean they are the same as you are trying to imply. Their aoe is different, damage over time vs burst/slow, shields are different, shield vs spellshield/AP shield, their aoe ults are nothing alike root over time vs skillshot burst ray. You are creating a fallacy by falsely relating things that do not relate. Every champion is unique and you are taking one ability and calling it the same when they are not, a ranged 3 knock up skill shot vs a mobile 3rd knockup. Not the same
Infernape5 votesNew Aatrox > Old Aatrox.
TheWorldTreeYigg4 votesI think new aatrox is way better than old aatrox.
DarkinPrime1 votesbased on what?
TheWorldTreeYigg2 votesbased on what?
I don't play much aatrox but new aatrox feels like he has more of a personality compared to old aatrox. Plus he feels less clunky to play.
DarkinPrime1 votesSo you barely play the new one, or the old one...and yet you feel like you need to chime in with nearly no experience?
Ralanr4 votesI think Aatrox has a higher playrate than Riven in diamond and above actually. Last I checked league of graphs anyway.
SciFi Scrivener3 votesSilence! Don't let facts get in the way of the OPs cryfest.
DarkinPrime1 votesits not a cryfest. Its an accurate reminder that Riot deleted a champion and replaced his game play with something "more popular" to get new players to play that champion. He was literally the only champion of his kind left in the game. Riot doesn't want diversity--they want champions to conform to whatever idea they have about how they want the game to be....and you may think that is fine, until they decide to change your favorite champions so dramatically that none of the old practice you put into them is relevant AT ALL.
Ralanr4 votesTyrndamere, Xin Zhao, and Volibear are still primarily AA focused bruiser champions with healing. Like Aatrox.
DarkinPrime1 votesTryndamere and voli get to move and attack while being invicible or healing, unlike old aatrox. That is much better than just sitting there waiting to die again. Xins kit is way more efficient, his knock up is not linked to is escape or engage the way aatrox's was.
Ralanr3 votesWow. Almost as though different champions with the same basic playstyle accomplish that playstyle in slightly different ways.
DarkinPrime1 votesNo they don't have the same basic playstyle. Andts not SLIGHTLY different. Its a HUGE difference, and one of the main reason old aatrox was so weak--Trynadmere can build full damage and not worry bout any tankines as old attrox usually had to because he gets 5 seconds to wail on anymore.
Volibear can build health and tank without worrying about damage because his bite scales off of missing HP of the enemy.
These are huge differences.
Ralanr2 votesBuild is not playstyle. Build compliments playstyle but it doesn’t substitute it.
Their playstyles are basically heavy AA focused Melee champions. Everything they do is all about enhancing or getting benefits off of constant AA.
DarkinPrime1 votesHah okay buddy, I can see you don't care about discussion or truth. You want to split hairs and never be wrong. Voli damage comes from an ABILITY, not his autos. Nearly ALL of Aatrox damage comes from his autos. HUGE difference. Stop desperately trying to be right. You are factually wrong on ever level here.
Ralanr1 votesVolibear’s bite can only be procced after three auto attacks. Which falls in line with enhancing or gaining benefits from his AA. His ult also empowers his auto attacks.
You’re right that there is a difference, which exists in all champions even when they share a class. That’s kinda what needs to happen for character diversity. But the bare bones of the characters are similar.
Volibear and Aatrox are heavy AA champions. Aatrox was more focused in it, but Volibear still had a lot of his damage tied to actually landing auto attacks.
So in the end, what I’m trying to say is that AA heavy focused fighters still exist in this game, Aatrox wasn’t the only one.
SciFi Scrivener2 votesGood news. I just checked and Aatrox is still available in game to play. You may now wipe your nose and stop crying over something that DIDN'T happen. Aatrox is still a very unique champion with a Ult unlike anyone else. If you take the time to actually learn his mechanics you will find that Aatrox has many different nuances to his game play. I understand that some players are only capable of mashing one button, and if that is you, you are out of luck.
DarkinPrime1 votesI don't care if hes the best champion ever made. Hes not Aatrox. And if you think old aatrox was all about hitting one button, you have exposed yourself as yet another person who doesn't know shit about old Aatrox and what it really took to climb and win with him.
SciFi Scrivener2 votesSorry, you veered off to a corn field and brought back a strawman. Try and stay on topic, sparky. You are the one that thinks Aatrox, and yes Aatrox is still in the game, is all about spamming one button. Try not to project your lack of understanding on others.
DarkinPrime1 votesHaha nice try trying to steam roll me. Sparky? Thats insulting, you know why? Because its a substitute word. You ony use that word because it won't get you banned. Plus its demeaning in its context. I'm reporting this. You know why? Because I am not allowed to slam people using bad language, but apparently its okay for people use us snarky substitutes that really mean the same thing.
SciFi Scrivener2 votesAwe, I hurt you widdle fweelings. Deflect all you want, Sparky, you obviously lost this debate. Run along and tell your mommy about the mean men on League. While you are at it, uninstall the game and forget your log in. I have a suspicion the game wont miss you.
DarkinPrime1 votesNope. I just am not going to tolerate people like you skirting the rules, when people like me want to say much worse to you. You thinking you hurt my feelings only shows how little you understand.
You cant talk without resorting to petty personal attacks and fake accusations of logical fallacies. The only one acting like a child, is you.
Rivier1 votesIgnore them, riot deleted your champion, you dont like it which some people cant accept. Even riot themselves said that they wanted to make aatrox similar to riven if she was a tank. The two characters arent the same at all but there is a bit of similarity and its just not the old aatrox. Riot has no problem reworking less popular champions meanwhile they will never touch popular ones no matter how toxic they are. This is the only game i know where characters get completely deleted and only their name remains
DarkinPrime1 votesI know. Its sad how blind others are. If old Aatrox was popular, they would never have overhauled everything about him.
SciFi Scrivener1 votesGood luck with that, sparky. Excuse me while I go play some games with Aatrox, now that he is so much better.
boricCentaur14 votesRiven and Aartox takes two different types of skill riven is more mechanical based whereas Aartox takes a lot of foresight since you have to know where the enemy is going to move to. Also aartox in diamond + has 17% play rate vs rivens 8% and if you look at low elo yeah they have similar play rates but so does a lot of other champions your just being disingenuous.
DarkinPrime1 votesI'm not bein disigenuous. Most players are NOT IN Diamond +, so my statement is more true about more players. You not understanding that only means you don't understand...well, anything. Aatrox play rate moved up from nothing to Rivens AT THE LEVELS MOST PLAYERS ARE AT.
These boards, I swear.
boricCentaur11 votesYou cant read can you I said you were being disingenuous since his play rate is around the average when you were making it seem like they were the same and you make no sense they play completely differently a riven player would fucking hate playing Aartox since he is a very slow champion whereas riven is a fast champion. Also me bringing up high elo makes perfect sense since if they were similar champions the playrate would be more similar as you go up in elo.
DarkinPrime1 votesOkay, I can't understand you ramblings, and you obviously can't read. So, I'm done.
boricCentaur13 votesI don't think you know what ramblings mean since everything I typed was in response to somthing you said and nothing I typed was off topic. It seems like you just can't accept your wrong.
DarkinPrime1 votesdude, go away.
boricCentaur11 votesWhat did I hurt your feelings by calling you out for being wrong if so then you need help like you started this its called a discussion come on are you really that bad at arguing your points that you have say im rambling when im not and then you say your done without responding to any of my points what are you 12. He is a life lesson don't make a post on a discussion webisite if you don't what to have a discussion about it and here's one more don't bring up a augment if you can't defend or maybe you not at that grade yet.
DarkinPrime1 votesHaha, I tried buddy. You rambled. Fuck off.
boricCentaur13 votesI pointed out how I was not rambling and unlike you I stand with my opinion and will argue it since im not a dick like you. So no I wont since im the better person here.
DarkinPrime1 votesYou aren't and goodbye
boricCentaur11 votesI am the better peson since im explaining why if I was a dick like you I would just do what your doing saying basically nothing but saying somone is wrong with 0 explanation since you most likely know your wrong but can't say it since your a coward.
DarkinPrime1 votesWrong.
boricCentaur11 votesHow come on prove me wrong stop being a coward.
DarkinPrime1 votesSorry, its beyond your reasoning
boricCentaur11 votesYou cant just say your right without any proof.
Hammermancer3 votesIf you dont like champs getting updated id advise you steer clear of olaf
Maybe try riven
Or aatrox
DarkinPrime1 votesIm opposed to any champion having their fundamental game play changed. Imagine if they update riven and shes now a tank. Would that be okay?
Hammermancer2 votesIm opposed to any champion having their fundamental game play changed. Imagine if they update riven and shes now a tank. Would that be okay?
She's be way healthier if they 86d her ult and gave her more resists tbh
Automated Riven2 votesDude, riven and aatrox are not remotely similar. At all. They don't play the same, they don't feel the same, the abilities don't interact with each other the same. People who don't know anything about the two champions compare the two. 3 part q is literally the only similarity and it stops there. At similarity because the two abilities, while in theory are similar, don't play at all similar.
DarkinPrime1 votesI would argue that new aatrox has more in common with riven than old aatrox. New aatrox main damage comes from abliites, and so does Riven
