Not just her, but the concept of a Champion that can come in super fast, deal mega damage and then....safety return to where she was?
How is that good for a game?
No risk, max reward.
Someone justify it. I don't care if you can provide me with hypothetical counter play. I say its not healthy for the game.
Doe it EVER feel fun or fair to lane against her? Answer, no. No it does not.
iiGazeii9 votesLeBlanc is good at one thing and one thing only: Killing a single champion without dying for it.
Her W has a long cooldown and is her main source of damage, waveclear, and mobility. If you see her use it, she is much less of a threat while it's on cooldown. Shove the minion wave hard in the laning phase to force her to either miss CS to the tower or use her W on the wave (i.e., not you).
LeBlanc is an assassin, which means she has a strong early-to-mid game, but her damage quickly falls off into the late game because it is mostly single-target and people have enough health, MR, and defensive items to avoid getting domed.
Bring two MR shards and Nullifying Orb before the game starts, and she will have a much harder time killing you. Build your core item, then go for 
to screw up her combo even more and make you very hard for her to take down by herself.
The key to beating LeBlanc isn't to win lane, it's to survive her and outscale her. Your job isn't to cream her and kill her repeatedly, it's to give her no gold while you farm up and keep the wave in the middle so she can't go roam without you shoving and taking tower gold. If you do that, then when mid-game skirmishes break out and late-game teamfights come around, you will be stronger than her.
Sucction9 votesIronically though, I believe she has the highest single target AP Scaling on her kit in the entire game, with the exception of Fiddlesticks in a best case scenario.
The E772 voteswhat about veigar? or a fully charged ap nunu ult, those things will tare you several new assholes
Bârd1 votesVeigar doesn't have amazing AP ratios, he just has a ton of AP. Plus he can't reliably utilize those AP ratios due to cast delays and low mobility, so he's more about zone control than deleting people nowadays.
Nunu R has a good ratio, but that's just not going to happen. EIf it does, either they facechecked a bush without noticing the slow or you're duo queued with a Ryze.
Sucction1 votesNunu's R is one ability. I'm talking about the entire kit.
Leblanc's enhanced Q or E actually has the same base damage as a max damage Veigar ultimate, with a slightly smaller ratio. Despite this, it has less than half the cooldown lol.
Her full combo deals MUCH more, though, at 360% AP scaling, wheras Veigar sits quite low at 235 - 310, right where Lux is, depending on enemy health.
DarkinPrime1 votesThank you for the excellent response its appreciated
Kanzaki Ranko6 votesIf she is no risk then play her to diamond
Ravenborn4 votesImo she needs to be reworked into an illusion mage.
Who Fed Ru2 votestbh when playing her myself once I noticed her biggest weakness:
You can't clear the wave with her at all. Things like wave management or pushing are so fucking hard with her.
Just keep your cc to counter her attacks and manage the wave correctly, because she sure as hell won't outpush you.
Zeppelins circus1 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RExLpQm7,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-02-03T13:20:24.813+0000)
tbh when playing her myself once I noticed her biggest weakness:
You can't clear the wave with her at all. Things like wave management or pushing are so fucking hard with her.
Just keep your cc to counter her attacks and manage the wave correctly, because she sure as hell won't outpush you.
The thing is, the game added copious amounts of waveclear and mana it seems like URF.
koshkyra2 votesThe problem is that basically every assassin is like this right now so it would be unfair to “fix” only her.
Valerdi1 votesThe problem is that basically every assassin is like this right now so it would be unfair to “fix” only her.
Not 
, she seems to be the only balanced champ in lol and she needs a buff. Furthermore you're under the impression no one else deserves a nerf Like I said before in the only balanced champ, so everyone else needs a nerf and bard will go back to how he came out. The only exception is reducing the where the chimes appear, even now it's too large; I know he's a wanderer but he can still wander his ass is a smaller area. People still b**ching asking where I was when they died, like bch play safe against 2.
Need to get rid of the whole appease Shia Lebeouf mentally that goes into this game. Whether it's the balance team or the head of said team, LOL needs to fire their as_.
Edit: Please enlighten me how it's OK that supports can burst or how a HEAVY TANK like 
is faster than a assassin/huntress like .
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Movement_speed
with 325 speed vs 340? explain that logically. In my opinion should be one of the fastest considering physical qualities and having nothing to weight her down. Then there's 
with 355 speed even though he wears a lot of armor. should have 350 speed, there are 7 just as fast as her and 5 faster. Everyone's speed needs to be changed around to account for physical traits, weight and mobility. Tanks should be the slowest and assassins the fastest, just like supports should just support not burst.
koshkyra2 votesDid you reply to the wrong comment?
Succubús GF3 votesKindred isnt an assassin
Valerdi1 votesKindred isnt an assassin
Wrong she is but she can't really do dmg until late game but that's true for everyone. Really the problem is having her being balanced in a (compared to) broken roster thats why she under-performs.
I suggested a balance here, mostly just giving utility than dmg. Although by giving her this utility it will give more dmg for eample increased attack range and Wolf having vision in bushes. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rivkd7c6-kindred-tips?comment=0004
Succubús GF1 votesWrong
Lol no. She is amarksman. It's how she is classed. Get it together.
Valerdi1 votesLol no. She is amarksman. It's how she is classed. Get it together.
Yea assassin marksman what of it?
Succubús GF1 votesi genuinely cant tell if you think this way or you're trolling
Valerdi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Succubús GF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RExLpQm7,comment-id=0003000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-02T02:15:48.777+0000)
i genuinely cant tell if you think this way or you're trolling
Are you? as that is common knowledge and sense. Maybe you lack logic and thats where the problem is.
PopcornBunni1 votesKindred isn't an assassin. She has neither the burst nor the target access to be one and only has one ability that is even assassin-like, that being her E's execute damage.
Valerdi1 votesKindred isn't an assassin. She has neither the burst nor the target access to be one and only has one ability that is even assassin-like, that being her E's execute damage.
Her damage comes from hunts and being late game. Hunts can easily be denied relying on champ hunts which she can't pull off without buff (rito giving buff) or jungle hunts even then you might die trying to get it. That's because rito hates her for whatever reason they won't buff or balance her leaving her the weakest assassin and champ in the game.
Which leads to re-posting this again with my suggestion of how to balance Kindred to where she should be https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/rivkd7c6-kindred-tips?comment=0004
PopcornBunni1 votesShe's as weak an assassin as 
or 
are because none of them are assassins.
Tuition Fee1 votesoui
Emerald Fang2 votesHer waveclear is straight trash
You have to beat her with wave manipulation. Constantly push wave into tower and she'll fall behind on gold.
She does a ton of damage because she lacks in other areas such as ^^
Snowbrand1 votesThey put a delay on akalis ult and they should do the same with lb's jump
PopcornBunni1 votesThe delayed burst mentality is only there for about half the assassins. Well half the effectively assassins. 
may be clumped as divers now but the distinction is very arbitrary.
all have instant burst or consist of nothing on a delay
are the only ones whos' main damage is gated by a delay, and even then post laning phase Kat can just WR for instant triples
( 
do have a delay that is meant to be built into their kit but consist of bursty damage even without that delay, especially blue )
taleofsonata1 votesWell she is literally the main protagonist of the whole game, even much more threatening than the void since her organization is unknown (Black Rose). And no she isn't part of Noxus, she use Noxus for the greater good of her organization. I would not be surprise that her gameplay is linked on how strong she is.
Bronze GOAT4 votesDude that is terrible reasoning lol
OHminus1 votesNot to mention she's really the antagonist, not the protagonist.
Syrile1 votesLeBlanc is merely the most ridiculous of the insanely mobile, insta-burst, no risk, auto-kill champions. But she is a problem. Mind, I loooooooooooooooooove the concept of her. But I liked her old rework better. You had to play and setup and be tactical with her. Not "over a wall insta-death, retreat to safety and still have dashes left" nonsense.
PopcornBunni1 votesShe can still have the need for setups without having to wait four years while 
points at her and instagibs her.
Move damage away from Q and onto E2 and especially from RQ to RE, slow W's dash (or even just have an area indicator where she's moving to like 
's) and you instantly have a much healthier version of the current Leblanc.
Current version is also less of a pain for organized play since she can't RR to get free vision.
WhiteLiés1 votesPlease try to find game where I didn't ban her while playing mid,so cancer champ can go in then has like 4 seconds to what she wants and go back,imagine if you could use zed W to go full in then just return to ur previous position wtf garbage ass champ,here are my reasons why I ban her: 1.Can go in deal tons of damage with no skill only point and click ability except " E " which she doesnt even need for big damage also goes back to previous position. 2.Goes invisible when low hp. 3.Late game no cooldowns 1000 ddashes,zhoyna,fuck that man. 4.In teamfights try to kill her as midlaner while she oneshots you or your botlane with single W,if you try to do something on her she will just dash away or become invisible or use zhonya noob champ Still permabanning lb.
xZabaksx1 votesPeople complaininv about her wave clear when I'm playing braum mid
PopcornBunni1 votesPeople complaininv about her wave clear when I'm playing braum mid
Her waveclear is much weaker than it was in her rework. W (W) Q made with 
look like a 
trying to push lanes. It's also healthier now, but is attached to an otherwise much more unhealthy kit.
IP Masquerena1 votesThis will get downvoted because it shows a LeBlanc losing lane to an immobile mage that people seem to consider extremely weak, aka TF, and the guys even tell people to actually think, oh the horror, but for those who actually want to get better at the game, here, watch this:
PopcornBunni1 votesI've said before even during her former minirework that I'd prefer a gutted version of the old (and current) LB than the instant wave clear awful wait time version.
And I stand by that. Slow her W dash speed, give the return a timeout before she can freely back off, do whatever needed so she can actually be given clear and succinct gameplay patterns.
Valerdi1 votesThe problem is that Rito doesn't know how to balance giving buffs to champs when they don't need it, nerfs when they're already the weakest (Kindred), or buffing when they needed nerfs.
Seasonal changes/tweaks are more of a way to manipulate players into not being bored. Like here your favorite champ changed now you have to get used to its new abilities it's almost like a new champ :D
They probably go like "you may thank us for the new content"
Other examples like the questionable movement speed all the champs have
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Movement_speed
Like really... how are people with heavy armor faster than some without? Or "heavy build" faster than obviously Olympic runners. I "challenge" anyone to outrun a goat (Kindred) while wearing some of the armor these people have.
Which I pointed it out here by comparing Garen heavy armor with Kindred's having only body weight as it seems the bow might be magical. You think Garen is faster than Kindred when she's got those legs?
What I mentioned there is this...
The broken/op aspect of champs doing one shots or whatever comes from the fact that they probably worship Shia Lebeouf. They believe this idea that dealing the most damage as fast as possible gives (an illusion of) fast paced action.
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/what-is-lol
"League of Legends is a fast-paced, competitive online game that blends the speed and intensity" enough said drops mic
A clear example of this is Rengar one shoting people. It's actually two shots but it's so fast that it looks like one.
There are other examples like CC vs tenacity, like for the most part it's hard to reach 50% tenacity. Runes and mercury boots should give 60% tenacity, but get both and tell me the value it actually gives you. I'll tell you 48%, then there's the unflinching keystones giving 20% when summoner spells are on cooldown. The total should be 80% instead it's around 52%. What about CC? well for starters 50% slow is way too much so imagine slows up to 99%. Well then that must mean durations are short and that 99% would only last 1s tops... Nope its one of the longest at 5s. As for duration the longest I've been stunlocked has been 10s without being able to do anything.