Because every fucking time I see him and he runs predator any lane he goes to is a guaranteed kill. Its fucking ridiculous and oppressive. So no, I'm not mad about his low win rate because hes so frustrating to deal with
Alex h872121 votesYea he has a very binary kit. If voli is fast enough to chase you down youre probably gonna die and theres very little way to outplay his damage/cc (unless youre one of the like 3 champs w/ a spellshield).
Voli needs a rework before he can be buffed.
SwiftKitten887 votes[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u8nwF1Wt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-10T19:24:23.588+0000)
Yea he has a very binary kit. If voli is fast enough to chase you down youre probably gonna die and theres very little way to outplay his damage/cc (unless youre one of the like 3 champs w/ a spellshield).
Voli needs a rework before he can be buffed.
^^this.. the problem with his kit is if he CAN reach you, then you're dead and there isn't jack shit u can do about it, and if he CAN'T then he is completely worthless.
its too binary, he NEEDS a rework
Tychusfindlay9181 votes[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u8nwF1Wt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-10T19:24:23.588+0000)
Yea he has a very binary kit. If voli is fast enough to chase you down youre probably gonna die and theres very little way to outplay his damage/cc (unless youre one of the like 3 champs w/ a spellshield).
Voli needs a rework before he can be buffed.
I generally agree. As it is right now, volibear's stats suck balls so currently he can just get stat checked by the majority of the melee roster even if he gets to them. It's riot's way of keeping him in the dirt until a rework.
Cavesloth17 votesAs someone who had fun playing Voli yeah, when hes meta its toxic as shit, you're an unstoppable dumptruck dropping loads of pain. He baaaaaaadly needs a rework to make him take skill instead of being a walking stat check. That said I reeally, really hope they don't go the direction they've been going with a lot of newer champ designs. Its fine to make a champ take some skill, but lets face it new players DO need something simple to learn on, and Voli was that for me to learn JG. It seems they are taking all the simple to play champions and reworking them to be more complex. Just because a champ is simple to learn doesn't mean they can't have depth or counterplay.
TehNACHO10 votesLet CertainlyT rework Volibear :V
On a more serious note, he did knock it out of the park with Warwick.
Colton1473 votesLet CertainlyT rework Volibear :V
On a more serious note, he did knock it out of the park with Warwick.
I could always make suggestions. ;)
Percentage max health true damage for all his abilities. :3
notice me Sin pi2 votesu forgot to add in a phrase implying sarcasm
HeimerLmao6 votesPercentage max health true damage for all his abilities.
Stacking with 30% bonus hp, 100% ap and 150% ad.
Battalion1 votes15% of damage dealt is returned back to him as HP unless he's <30% Max HP and then it jumps to 40% + he gains 25% Tenacity.
HeimerLmao1 votesTenacity is permanent and stacks up to 5 times. On 5th stack he gains 25% bonus MS instead of getting CCd.
Infernape2 votesOn a more serious note, he did knock it out of the park with Warwick.
That's because he wasn't allowed to add in things that he wanted. He had someone to rein in his leash.
TehNACHO5 votesGonna need a citation for that.
Remlap12231 votesIs mayonnaise a citaton?
Divewing1 votesNo.
Horse-radish is not a citation either.
Colton14714 votesI only have problems with 
's W.
One minute you have health, one minute it's gone.
Remlap12231 votesI've got a problem with everything in his kit. It's not even the cancer statcheck shit like his Q and passive, his ultimate is even lamer than Irelia's and that's extremely lame.
PaffWasTaken8 votesTo be honest, he deserved a full rework way more than Irelia
4th3t0s1 votesEhh, that's a close tie IMO; Irelia is both binary and an opressive stat-check.
PaffWasTaken2 votesWell, she can still be interesting to pla for some people. Volibear was considered as an error ever since his release, even Riot itself said so
4th3t0s1 votesInteresting or not, she's pretty much been just as oppressive as this asshole 
since season 2; since you can't even trade effectively against her. At least she's gated by mana.
Remlap12232 votesThe only reason Relly's going first is because they found a niche for her. Bearlybutts just can't find a niche.
Marshbouy7 votesFinally an opinion on volibear I can agree with. He either needs a small rework or needs to be kept out of the meta, because "if you don't have GW you lose in a fight against me" isn't healthy.
redniwediS6 votesI think the plan was for him to get a new kit at some point. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him usable, but he definitely shouldn't be kept at a competitive state right now. He has one of those kits that is either too strong or too weak with very little middle ground.
Succubús GF8 votesPredator volibear makes me hate myself when he can all in me 100-0. I don't see how his kit could ever be healthy
Blåbæret9 votesYour arguement that "he 100-0s me" makes no sense. Half the champion pool in the game can all in someone.
Articulate yourself with a real arguement instead of spewing bullshit. The champion is literally dead weight if you have any sort of slow and loses to any bruiser 1v1.
Succubús GF3 votes[deleted]
Sahn Uzal7 votesWhat the fuck are you Rank shaming for? You're Gold. If you're gonna call people out on their Rank, atleast make sure you're decent at the game yourself.
Now let me set this straight. Volibear is a stat stick. A dysfunctional stat stick with no reliable means to get in range to hurt you, nor the means to stick to you. He's an overly binary champion that needs significant changes to his kit to be anything other than a noob stomper.
If Volibear Runs at you, peel yourself. Pretty sure litterally all mages have a form of self peel. If he runs at you without anything up, you're propably overextended/ out of position. And you propably lack Vision.
Succubús GF1 votesI ended the season plat so I cant be that bad. If someone comes at me aggressively I can do it too?
What the fuck are you Rank shaming for? You're Gold If you're gonna call people out on their Rank, atleast make sure you're decent at the game yourself.
So volibear cant use predator to get to you?
Now let me set this straight. Volibear is a stat stick. A dysfunctional stat stick with no reliable means to get in range to hurt you, nor the means to stick to you.
So if he ghosts predator and catches up to you even after the cc (Assuming youre about middle of lane) Then what? Or if you are only outside of the turret and he dives, you think he gives a shit?
If Volibear Runs at you, peel yourself. Pretty sure litterally all mages have a form of self peel. If he runs at you without anything up, you're propably overextended/ out of position. And you propably lack Vision.
Sahn Uzal2 votesI ended the season plat so I cant be that bad. If someone comes at me aggressively I can do it too?
No, Plat really doesn't mean much. And I'm plat myself. I just don't think I'm good at this game when I'm not.
So volibear cant use predator to get to you?
No. He should not be able to reach you, even with Predator. Syndra knocks him back/stuns him from Range. Veigar places his baby cage, Volibear gets stunned or simply turns around. By the time he runs around the damn thing you should be safe and sound under your tower. Anivia presses litterally any button in her Kit other than E and she should have denied a Volibear gank.
Want me to keep listing examples?
So if he ghosts predator and catches up to you even after the cc (Assuming youre about middle of lane) Then what? Or if you are only outside of the turret and he dives, you think he gives a shit?
Then why were you in that position at the given time?
If I'm playing GP and I stand in the middle of a lane without Flash up, and don't properly use Kegs to peel myself and get away from him. I damn well deserve to die. Predator has a long ass cooldown. (3 minutes or something? 2?)
If you stand under you get dove by a Volibear without utilisting one of the tools in your kit that allows you to keep him at a distance, I can't tell you anything other than 'You fucked up fam'
Succubús GF1 votesCan I just stop you there, Syndras stun is like a 16 second cd, it wont be up ALL the time. Veigars stun is also a large cooldsown. Anivia is true but she is also the epitome of playing safely And you can FEEL FREE to keep adding to the list because apparently only mages go mid right? Did you also forgot that the enemy laner could be hitting you as well? You cc one, the other ccs you and you get screwed.
No. He should not be able to reach you, even with Predator. Syndra knocks him back/stuns him from Range. Veigar places his baby cage, Volibear gets stunned or simply turns around. By the time he runs around the damn thing you should be safe and sound under your tower. Anivia presses litterally any button in her Kit other than E and she should have denied a Volibear gank. Want me to keep listing examples?
Middle of lane isn't being "out of position" It's like 4 steps from turret line. Did you forget mid is not a long lengthy lane?
Then why were you in that position at the given time
Doesn't gp get a cleanse too though? Sorry in what world would it be okay for someone who is a tank, to pretty much three shot you if you aren't 100% hp.
Predator is up a lot sooner than flash is though? "Long cd": Pair predator with ghost and see if you cant catch someone with like 600 mov speed. By the way predator starts at a 150 second cd and ends at 100, flash is twice that.
If I'm playing GP and I stand in the middle of a lane without Flash up, and don't properly use Kegs to peel myself and get away from him. I damn well deserve to die. Predator has a long ass cooldown. (3 minutes or something? 2?)
You are missing the point! If you CC HIM. Let's say you cc him as lux Okay cool you get to run away but he still chases after you assuming he has one item. He starts hitting you and you die simple as that.
If you stand under you get dove by a Volibear without utilisting one of the tools in your kit that allows you to keep him at a distance, I can't tell you anything other than 'You fucked up fam'
You are also completely ignoring my post. This isn't a "OMG VOLIBEAR TOO OP PLS NERF" post, if youd just read ??? I just don't want him buffed ???
I also deleted top comment bc I got downvoted to HELL for defending myself against someone who was being aggressive to me "Boards in a nutshell lmao"
Sahn Uzal3 votesCan I just stop you there, Syndras stun is like a 16 second cd, it wont be up ALL the time. Veigars stun is also a large cooldsown. Anivia is true but she is also the epitome of playing safely And you can FEEL FREE to keep adding to the list because apparently only mages go mid right? Did you also forgot that the enemy laner could be hitting you as well? You cc one, the other ccs you and you get screwed.
Y'know, I haven't done the Math. But I'm pretty sure Predator has a longer cooldown than those spells. And while they're on cooldown you definetly should not be pushing up, opening yourself up to ganks.
Middle of lane isn't being "out of position" It's like 4 steps from turret line. Did you forget mid is not a long lengthy lane?
Yes, Middle's a short lane. But there's a bunch of Gank paths a jungler can take if you're in the middle of the lane.
Sorry in what world would it be okay for someone who is a tank, to pretty much three shot you if you aren't 100% hp.
Juggernaut. He doesn't have the CC of a tank, nor the means to get near his target/stick to it consistantly.
You are missing the point! If you CC HIM. Let's say you cc him as lux Okay cool you get to run away but he still chases after you assuming he has one item. He starts hitting you and you die simple as that.
/doubt. Can't have been in the middle of the lane then. Or the Volibear took a smart gank path and cut off your escape route, in which case, what's the problem?
I also deleted top comment bc I got downvoted to HELL for defending myself against someone who was being aggressive to me "Boards in a nutshell lmao"
Shrugs Can't do much about that.
You're totally Free to Dislike a champion, I myself make sure to Keep Riven banned, wether or not she's good. I merely decided to call you out because you decided to pull the rank card, while not at all being in a position to do so. You attacked the Person, not the Argument.
Propably not the most well written post I've ever written, I'm tired and about to go to sleep. Sorry 'bout that I suppose.
notice me Sin pi2 votes
AR URF6 votesidk why everyone complains about having a low win rate yet when other people bring up win rate people go "that doesn't mean anything". double standards much?
I'm not implying that you're doing it, I'm just venting my frustration from all the yasuo qq threads.
HudnofskiBleh1 votesI think it has to do with play rates. If a champ has a lot of players, then they should have a lower win rate, while champs with lower player amounts tend to have higher win rates or something.
IronwallJackson1 votesA Rioter actually addressed this poo t recently. Yasuo has a high play rate, but his player base is also really dedicated, enough that their collective experience keeps his winrate from being artificially lowered much.
In other words, when yasuo's winrate is bad, it's usually the champ and not the players.
TwitchInMyPants4 votesHe's basically Udyr with more cc
Which is pretty imbalanced when you consider his damage scales on his tankiness, at least Udyr eventually dies even if he obliterates you in 2-4 attacks
Kaìju2 votesAshe.
Succubús GF1 votesAs someone who plays a lot of mid lane ive never really dealt with ashe but I can assume its hell for literally any immobile tank trying to get to her, or run from
Thefrostyviking4 votesAshe's slow is actually balanced, it's like 5% base.
It's not until she hits level 14-ish that it reaches 52%......and it only lasts a single second and needs to be constantly reapplied to not drop down to 20%, which is generally a really weak slow.
It's not really impressive at all, especially given that pretty much every single tank has a gap closer that is only a fairly short CD.
Only champs in the game that i can recall that get's bothered by Ashe's slow are probably Darius and Mordekaiser.
Kaìju2 votesThis is it almost exactly. It goes from 10% to 20% base tripling on crits. It's extremely fair because she has some of the lowest move speed and no move speed boosts at all. And Mord, Darius, Voli sometimes, and maybe maybe maybe someone like Udyr if he happens to be out of mana.
Thefrostyviking2 votesAh that was a better way to put it, but i dunno about volibear, last ones i saw ran predator and just rushed through my slow before i could even fire a second shot.
But on another point, have you tried playing Ashe with approach velocity from inspiration? It gives move speed when going towards a target that you have CC'ed.
It is applied by your basic attacks with no CD.
It enhances her chasing and followup so i quite like it^^
Kaìju1 votesTrue I have not kited out Voli since before new runes. And I have tried it. I've tried pretty much everything. I like the extra damage from domination better because of the one that gives true damage for hitting CCd enemies on a four second cooldown.
Thefrostyviking1 votesAh i know which one you mean, that one is not bad at all either.
It's just that i dont feel like i really need any of the other domination picks, out of combat movespeed is pretty good but i guess i just like getting free boots or a stopwatch+the improved chase potential.
Cookies are also good if getting some super poke heavy mages like xerath.
Kaìju1 votesBeen meaning to try the comet build.
Thefrostyviking1 votesNot sure if that one really is any good, it feels super unreliable mid a good portion of the time.
It feels like a super early game oriented setup.
Kaìju1 votesYou play her bot lane as a carry. It's also her highest winrate keystone in Korea, because you take Ult hat with ER for a 30 or 40 second cooldown arrow. You only give up attack speed for it, it's better than precision I think. I lose lane less with it. Plus her W always applies the triple slow so you can't really dodge comet.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI know where Ashe is played, but i meant to say that it feels super unreliable even on the mages meant to use it midlane.
And with just a little lifesteal you can easily heal up the meager poke damage it does.
And you can actually dodge comet, as long as you have basic boots, even if slowed.
That's at least how the midlaners do it, which is why so many prefer aery which cant be dodged for any reason except avoiding the spell in the first place.
But koreans have always played super aggro early, it's no wonder they´d sacrifice lategame for it quite readily x)
Kaìju3 votesShe actually does rather poor against tanks. She has no innate % damage and her Q is maxed second so until level 10 at the earliest you do nothing to tanks. Not to mention she has a lower average DPS than every other ADC which makes her bad at busting tanks. The only time she does damage is if she's either ultra fed like 8 to 1 or full build.
Succubús GF2 votesAh I meant the slow, I know many people don't like being slowed infinitely
azrolator1 votesAshe slow is crap to start. I'd rather take a Jinx with mallet.