The only ranged jungler who actually was able to utilize and abused it was Kayle correct? Then we had Vayne which was pretty much a gimmick.
The top 3 most complained about champs are Yi, Udyr, Shyv right? Other abusers were Irelia, Jax, Trundle, Xin, WW.
I don't get this nerf.
Auroramancer33 votesThey're nerfing it for Kindred.
Kindred passive %dmg + BORK + unnerfed Sated Devourer = the worst cancer the game has seen in a long time
Clint Orris5 votesCan't they just nerf certain aspects of the item that solely affects kindred instead of fucking other people over?
Dr Poro21 votesHow do you change an item to nerf only one champ? A better question would be: Why don't they nerf Kindred instead? The answer is probably because Riot doesn't want to force Kindred into jungle with devourer. They'd like to give you the option to buy other jungle items or go in a lane without being complete shit.
Clint Orris4 votesMake it so that her the devourer clone does not apply the passive
bddesu9 votesRight, take out an aspect of her kit for buying a certain item.
Clint Orris2 votesWhat exactly is so bad with that change?
Photos of Ghosts4 votesThat it maks it a counterintuitive exception to the wording of Devourer itself. It doubles on-hits. What could be done would be make the percentage current health from the passive instead an autoattack modifier, that can crit but can't be doubled by devourer.
Champion Skin2 votesOr you could make it an on attack modifier like Lulu's passive (it isn't an on-hit but an effect that triggers when Lulu auto attacks or does those work with Sated?)
Fear Popo1 votesOn attack and on hit mean literally the same thing in this game.
Auz the Ripper1 votesNo, they don't
"On Attack" refers to things like Lulu's Pix, Cho'gath's Vorpal Spikes, and ruunans hurricane
They are triggered by an autoattacks but are independent of said autoattack, i.e. They usually don't care about the triggering Attack hitting it's target and Can have some other ...interesting interactions
On-hit effects are solely dependent on the autoattack hitting and are completely attached to it
Fear Popo1 votesBut some on-hit effects still proc when an attack misses, don't they?
EDIT: Did some reading on the wiki, got it cleared up.
Caelus Berry2 votesIt would only be the phantom hit without the passive.
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Can't they just nerf certain aspects of the item that solely affects kindred instead of fucking other people over?
What? Your original post is that this nerf doesn't affect anyone except Kayle jungle, who was "abusing" it anyway. Why do you now suddenly care about these mysterious people playing ranged junglers that you don't know about?
Clint Orris1 votesWhat i'm saying it that, yes, it will nerf Kayle, but it also further removes any chance for other ranged champions to utilize the item effectively.
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What i'm saying it that, yes, it will nerf Kayle, but it also further removes any chance for other ranged champions to utilize the item effectively.
the real question, will they give kayle back her 5 ad?
Ariel the Cruel1 votesTurns out Kayle was actually pretty strong even without Devourer. See we decided to "compensate" her for it's effective removal.
Another 5 AD nerf.
Magus Polaris1 votesPoor choice of words on his part. He should have wrote "used" or "utilized". The point still stands; if only one champion, and a new champion at that, is a problem with the item then the champion is the problem.
It's the logical inverse of this situation: Hey Riot, for future reference.
Ultîma3 votesThen the problem lies with Kindred's kit, not the item.
This is Cinderhulk all over again.
Auroramancer5 votesOr. or.
Maybe it doesn't matter so much because Kindred and Kayle are the only ranged ones who can consistently and viably use it, so it's really not that big of a deal.
qetzel2 votesNot quite. The cinderhulk changes affected about 10 champions that were considered "okay". This change really only affects Kayle, who can use runeglaive (Lich Bane used to be a third item pick on her) and can be buffed separately if need be.
alfavhunter1 votesThey're nerfing it for Kindred.
Kindred passive %dmg + BORK + unnerfed Sated Devourer = the worst cancer the game has seen in a long time
6 stack black cleaver talon... That was scary times
Auz the Ripper1 votes6 warmogs MUNDO pre-BotRK
Ariel the Cruel1 votes4 Warmogs, 1 Force of Nature, 1 Atma's on Vladimer.
Don't care how gimmicky that was. it was hilarious.
Raptamei14 votesThey hate Quinn jungle.
Sulghunter5 votesQuinn has no non-item on-hits to abuse....
And I think I felt a breeze over my head.
Ralanr10 votesKindred is coming out soon, so there's her. Plus it could mean that some marksmen will become more viable in the jungle with the marksmen update.
DJ Di01 votesKindred is coming out soon, so there's her. Plus it could mean that some marksmen will become more viable in the jungle with the marksmen update.
It's obviously just for Kindred, but Kayle is collateral damage (And they're not even buffing her).
How do you know marksmen will be more viable in the jungle after their updates?
Ralanr2 votesKeyword: Could
I have no idea, but I've started to imagine Quinn as a jungler. Birds of prey make good hunting buddies.
DJ Di01 votesKeyword: Could
I have no idea, but I've started to imagine Quinn as a jungler. Birds of prey make good hunting buddies.
I highly doubt it.
More than likely Quinn will get changes that appeal to taking her bot again, though more ranged junglers are fine with me.
Ariel the Cruel1 votesHope not. I rather like my time lane roamer.
Nothing quite like annoying the hell out of top lane. That flying mid for some lunch and getting back before the top laner can push to turret.
Hugify6 votesever fought sated vayne?
she dosen't care what you build against her,but you have to anyway.
Clint Orris2 votesI have and I've played as a sated vayne and its broken AF lol. But let's be honest, it does not see as much play as the top 3 or even the other junglers.
planters5 votesLet me give you a quick explanation and a link. 5.19 has very little balance changes a few skins kindred a couple balance changes, namely devourer. In the midst of this mostly useless changing there is actually one huge change that people keep overlooking. Riot is actually changing the rules on leashing to make it easier to follow and do. This means that ALL ranged champions are about to get a huge buff when in the jungle, regardless of whether they are kindred or twitch.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html#newskins
SaltyKracka4 votesKayle, Vayne, TF, Twitch, Teemo.
Clint Orris1 votesTeemo - Meh
Twitch - he has to pull off 3 - 4 early kills to have a presence in the game
TF - lol no
SaltyKracka5 votesYou say that, but I've seen idiots playing them.
Besides, it's not like anybody cares if Jungle Kayle or Vayne get nerfed.
HIKASHIKUN1 votesWhat makes you think Teemo is meh as a Jungler?
Clint Orris1 votesJust like twitch, his needs a shit ton of gold to be really effective.
HIKASHIKUN1 votesHow do you know this? I'm just curious, it seems like you have a lot of knowledge in how Jungle Teemo works. You made a really bland statement "needs a shit ton of gold to be really effective" which can be applied to many champions, not just Teemo alone. I'd like to defend that Jungle Teemo has very good presence if you choose to. You can choose to have presence and gank tons of lane or you can afk farm and become huge or you can be a mixed bag and do both.
Jonesybones4 voteswhy are you defending devourer? that item is so toxic. I hope they remove it season 6.
The Virgin Perry10 votesdevourer is not toxic, the item is strong but there is a reason why it isnt used in competitive.
Jonesybones4 votesdevourer is not toxic, the item is strong but there is a reason why it isnt used in competitive.
I'm sorry are you referring to the LCS? because I forgot I'm an LCS pro. I forgot soloq is exactlly like the LCS.
Pahimakas2 votesThen learn why it sucks and understand the item rather than saying "NERF IT TO THE GROUND! OR JUST COMPLETELY REMOVE IT!", Jeez...
Vekkna1 votesThe only reason it sucks in LCS is because games don't reliably last long enough for it to be worthwhile. LCS games usually end by the time a solo-queue is in mid game unless one team got stomped early.
Cheese Pope4 votesR.I.P AP Sated Gnar
Clint Orris2 votesYeeeesss. Sated Gnar is sleeper OP lol. I love playing him.
Widder883 votesThey make it easier to kite jungle monsters. If it is possible to take no damage in the jungle as ranged again, it would be over all a buff for ranged junglers.
If it is nerfed because of Kindred, that would be stupid. They could nerf Kindred instead. I don't think Riot is that stupid.
I like playing Jungle Twitch, and since Devourer is disabled, I figured out that Warrior is stronger, at least in the mid game what is important. Devourer takes so long to stack, especially on a ganking Jungler like Twitch. And the sated bonus effect is op on some champions. It is a stupid item. Why not remove the stacking, increase the on hit effect to 50 from the beginning when you buy it, and remove the sated bonus effect? I am tired of this imbalanced boring bullshit.
OperationDEEZ13 votesVayne and Kindred.
Squidblimp3 votesYou've obviously never gotten rolled by a Vayne with Sated Devourer, Botrk, Bloodthirster, and then tank items from there and yet she was doing MORE damage than a normal Vayne, as a BRUISER.
I do think the nerf was a bit too harsh though, maybe every 3rd auto instead of every 4th is better.